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eight hole black made in China
ten hole black made in England. both pairs are nice. use them a lot in the summer. in winter only thing I wear is combat boots. I think they are durable. and nice . but nothing compares to a army boot. we should all know that. I use mine instead of shoes because I do not like shoes. treat my docs the same way too. would not use them for a walk in snow or rain in the forest but I do take some outside moments with my army boots that I am sure the docs could not handle. the sole is long lasting on the docs. only thing that matters to me. I just broke a pair of converse I used for a month as indoor shoes only. had my docs two years now for comparison. and used them indoor and outdoor and took lots of long walks with the dog in them., so they are durable.
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