Vegan

[hidden_punk]

Discuss veganism. I'm not vegan myself so I can't exactly start it, but I still respect it

Oh actually I have a question

It is to my understanding that some don't eat meat due to cruelty to animals etc. but I was wondering. Bears eat fish, snakes eat mice and so on, why is it meant to be a bad thing to eat a steak or chicken then??

And no I am not trying to poke fun at this lifestyle I only had a question

[eddcase1]

i like cheese
cider is made with yeast

[soup is good food]

My favorite vegan by-law is that one shouldn't eat honey because it is exploitation of the bees. Strange that after being exploited by humans for thousands, and thousands of years that the bees haven't unionized. I need to put on my best black and yellow suit and start some organizing.


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There is one step worse than a vegan - especially if you are with one in a group of people looking to grab something to eat:

A raw-food vegan

"We're going to grab a burrito....here...have some dirt...bon appetit."

[jonhomeowner]

My favorite vegan by-law is that one shouldn't eat honey because it is exploitation of the bees. Strange that after being exploited by humans for thousands, and thousands of years that the bees haven't unionized. I need to put on my best black and yellow suit and start some organizing.
One vegan I know constantly compares bees making honey to slavery. "IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN AMERICA HAD SLAVES!!!!@#$!@#"

[thebigother]

I know a lot of vegans and I've never heard them make such absurd statements or even bat an eye when otther people are eating meat. But I also know a few who don't under stand that it's a personal desicion and feel the need to lecture everybody about their diets. We call those people "douche bags."

[lewis]

I know a lot of vegans and I've never heard them make such absurd statements or even bat an eye when otther people are eating meat. But I also know a few who don't under stand that it's a personal desicion and feel the need to lecture everybody about their diets. We call those people "douche bags."

Same.

[EDogg]

vegans elitism makes them fun to annoy

i was annoying one for drinking milk before because they keep cows constantly impregnated, and then annoyed her for eating eggs, because apparently the chick doesnt develope until the last day

bit like eating an aborted fetus

[xdipsomaniacx]

Many vegans/vegetarians forget that we have canine teeth and think that we don't belong in that meat eating part of the food chain. I don't really care. Meat is tasty.

[Captain_Obvious]

My favorite Vegan faux pas is alot of them call people "Carnivores"... When in fact people that eat meat are "Omnivores" cause they eat both veg AND meat..

A person that eats ONLY meat is a dead person.. :p

[EDogg]

A person that eats ONLY meat is a dead person.. :p

then in that case ill eat them

[RuthlessNate]

Many vegans/vegetarians forget that we have canine teeth and think that we don't belong in that meat eating part of the food chain. I don't really care. Meat is tasty.

Yeah, that's generally my argument as well. I'm all for veganism if that's the choice they make though. I've actually cut way down on red meat lately, but I'm definitely become less friendly towards chickens and tuna as of late, haha.

[EDogg]

Yeah, that's generally my argument as well. I'm all for veganism if that's the choice they make though. I've actually cut way down on red meat lately, but I'm definitely become less friendly towards chickens and tuna as of late, haha.

red meat gives you cancer, like everything apparently

[RuthlessNate]

red meat gives you cancer, like everything apparently

Well, it also has more fats and cholesterol and all that stuff. Gives a higher risk of heart disease and all kinds of stuff. Plus it's expensive.

[EDogg]

Well, it also has more fats and cholesterol and all that stuff. Gives a higher risk of heart disease and all kinds of stuff. Plus it's expensive.

these lazy bastards couldnt even get it to 1234 (digg says there 1233) (http://www.scorecard.org/health-effects/chemicals.tcl?short_hazard_name=cancer&all_p=t)

for people who dont understand any of that shit (me) (http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/cancer%20list.htm)

and another (i hope recieving oral sex isnt the cause, cos, well, im greedy, and its better them than me) (http://www.fortawesome.co.uk/2007/things-that-cause-cancer/)

in short: dont do anything until i have found a cure for cancer

[EDogg]

these lazy bastards couldnt even get it to 1234 (digg says there 1233) (http://www.scorecard.org/health-effects/chemicals.tcl?short_hazard_name=cancer&all_p=t)

for people who dont understand any of that shit (me) (http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/cancer%20list.htm)

and another (i hope recieving oral sex isnt the cause, cos, well, im greedy, and its better them than me) (http://www.fortawesome.co.uk/2007/things-that-cause-cancer/)

in short: dont do anything until i have found a cure for cancer

haha i read the oral one, thatll teach people for passing salty cock germs between cocks

[hidden_punk]

I know a lot of vegans and I've never heard them make such absurd statements or even bat an eye when otther people are eating meat. But I also know a few who don't under stand that it's a personal desicion and feel the need to lecture everybody about their diets. We call those people "douche bags."


ahhahaha no wonder vegan and hard-line go together

[thebigother]

Many vegans/vegetarians forget that we have canine teeth and think that we don't belong in that meat eating part of the food chain. I don't really care. Meat is tasty.
I'm pretty sure that for most it's more of an ethical issue than an evolutionary one. Although our digestive system is better equipped to digest vegetation than meat. Early humans and the animals we descended from were most likely scavengers that ate mostly vegetation, but meat as well when it was occasionally available. That's pretty much how I try to eat, except instead of scavenging I go to the grocery store.

[xdipsomaniacx]

I'm pretty sure that for most it's more of an ethical issue than an evolutionary one. Although our digestive system is better equipped to digest vegetation than meat. Early humans and the animals we descended from were most likely scavengers that ate mostly vegetation, but meat as well when it was occasionally available. That's pretty much how I try to eat, except instead of scavenging I go to the grocery store.

Ah, well my sense of taste wins out over my sense of ethics every day of the week.

[thebigother]

No wonder you've been eating all those Jew-babies then.

[xdipsomaniacx]

No wonder you've been eating all those Jew-babies then.

Ummmm.........okay then.....

[XIII13]

I went to the octor recently and realized i was 240 lbs. when i got home i took a good long look in the mirror. and decided to give up meat. i had recently become good friends with a few vegetarians and vegans and realized none of them had wieght problems and my sense of vanity totallly blew my self esteem right down the shitter. so 6 weeks later i have adjusted well to a vegetarian diet and dont judge or preach to others. I barely explain my decision but the drastic weight loss has done wonders for me. I am averaging 5 lbs lost per week. I dont think i have developed the will power to give up eggs or cheese but i do drink soy milk. and I feel 700 times better than i ever have in my life. as a matter of fact i cant even remember what meat tastes like. and rarely have the urge to taste it again if i do get the urge i just think of how dirty the meat department is in the grocery store and forgo the meat again. i buy most of my produce at a local farmers market and grow some as well. do i feel better about myself yes do i feel better THAN anyone else NO. Its a personal choice and i have made mine


forever undead
XIII

[jonhomeowner]

I went to the octor recently and realized i was 240 lbs. when i got home i took a good long look in the mirror. and decided to give up meat. i had recently become good friends with a few vegetarians and vegans and realized none of them had wieght problems and my sense of vanity totallly blew my self esteem right down the shitter. so 6 weeks later i have adjusted well to a vegetarian diet and dont judge or preach to others. I barely explain my decision but the drastic weight loss has done wonders for me. I am averaging 5 lbs lost per week. I dont think i have developed the will power to give up eggs or cheese but i do drink soy milk. and I feel 700 times better than i ever have in my life. as a matter of fact i cant even remember what meat tastes like. and rarely have the urge to taste it again if i do get the urge i just think of how dirty the meat department is in the grocery store and forgo the meat again. i buy most of my produce at a local farmers market and grow some as well. do i feel better about myself yes do i feel better THAN anyone else NO. Its a personal choice and i have made mine

forever undead
XIII
When I don't eat meat, I feel like shit.

Also, don't have too much soy or you'll go back to being a fatty.

[x7xvengeancex7x]

I like Wendys Double Stack far too much to stop eating meat.

But my boyfriend is a vegitarian. He said that he doesn't eat meat because the thought of something that was once living and now is dead on his plate grosses him out.

It honestly makes no sense to me. Because we're ment to eat meat. Our bodies are made to eat it. I don't feel bad at all when I sink my teeth into a nice hamburger cuz that's life. I'm still trying to get him to go back to eating meat. He's getting too tiny.

[jonhomeowner]

I like Wendys Double Stack far too much to stop eating meat.

But my boyfriend is a vegitarian. He said that he doesn't eat meat because the thought of something that was once living and now is dead on his plate grosses him out.
Plants were once living, too. Did he not know that?

[Danny Montez]

hahaha fuckin ay! eating meat is what we our bodies are designed to do!

[x7xvengeancex7x]

Plants were once living, too. Did he not know that?

That's what I've tried telling him! But then he brings up that plants don't have feelings and that animals do.

There's no winning with him. :eek:

[dead_head]

I went to the octor recently and realized i was 240 lbs. when i got home i took a good long look in the mirror. and decided to give up meat. i had recently become good friends with a few vegetarians and vegans and realized none of them had wieght problems and my sense of vanity totallly blew my self esteem right down the shitter. so 6 weeks later i have adjusted well to a vegetarian diet and dont judge or preach to others. I barely explain my decision but the drastic weight loss has done wonders for me. I am averaging 5 lbs lost per week. I dont think i have developed the will power to give up eggs or cheese but i do drink soy milk. and I feel 700 times better than i ever have in my life. as a matter of fact i cant even remember what meat tastes like. and rarely have the urge to taste it again if i do get the urge i just think of how dirty the meat department is in the grocery store and forgo the meat again. i buy most of my produce at a local farmers market and grow some as well. do i feel better about myself yes do i feel better THAN anyone else NO. Its a personal choice and i have made mine


forever undead
XIII

very impressive. I went vegeterian for 2 years and it didn't do much for me except give me the right to tell people i'm vegeterian. I went to the doctor a couple weeks ago and he told me i'm horrible lacking in a B vitamin that is found in meat and that my body in particular was not ment to be vegeterian. What i learned was that some people can go vegeterian and some people just werent ment to because of their body structure. It totally blew me away. i felt like i wasted two years of not eating meat.

[EDogg]

very impressive. I went vegeterian for 2 years and it didn't do much for me except give me the right to tell people i'm vegeterian. I went to the doctor a couple weeks ago and he told me i'm horrible lacking in a B vitamin that is found in meat and that my body in particular was not ment to be vegeterian. What i learned was that some people can go vegeterian and some people just werent ment to because of their body structure. It totally blew me away. i felt like i wasted two years of not eating meat.

at least now when a vegetarian goes all elitist on your ass you can go all common sense on theirs

[dead_head]

at least now when a vegetarian goes all elitist on your ass you can go all common sense on theirs


yeah but people dont go elitist on me ever. After all, I am perfect. :cool:

[EDogg]

yeah but people dont go elitist on me ever. After all, I am perfect. :cool:

you are not perfect because you didnt capitalise your Y

[GOp0g077]

very impressive. I went vegeterian for 2 years and it didn't do much for me except give me the right to tell people i'm vegeterian. I went to the doctor a couple weeks ago and he told me i'm horrible lacking in a B vitamin that is found in meat and that my body in particular was not ment to be vegeterian. What i learned was that some people can go vegeterian and some people just werent ment to because of their body structure. It totally blew me away. i felt like i wasted two years of not eating meat.

You could have simply taken the vitamin B in pill form. Physiologically speaking, humans have the teeth of both omnivores and carnivores(we have serrated and rather flat teeth combined)Which means we were "built" to eat both meat and vegitation...so really to be healthy and vegitarian/vegan you have to shove loads of vitamins in your mouth to make up for all the nutrients lost when not eating meat.My sister's a 16yr old vegerian who only eats hotpockets and pizza and has always loathed most veggies except for tomatoes...it's rediculous how trendy she is all her little high school buddies decided it was the thing to do after they saw faces of death 2...now that's a vegetarian with an explanation..."im a vegetarian because like um we watched faces of death and like they totally burned a live pig with a blowtorch like omg"....I just laughed

[hidden_punk]

That's what I've tried telling him! But then he brings up that plants don't have feelings and that animals do.

There's no winning with him. :eek:

hmm yeah, but animals can feel pleasure and pain. plants cannot, they just have basic survival such as apetites, growth and reproduction

[x7xvengeancex7x]

very impressive. I went vegeterian for 2 years and it didn't do much for me except give me the right to tell people i'm vegeterian. I went to the doctor a couple weeks ago and he told me i'm horrible lacking in a B vitamin that is found in meat and that my body in particular was not ment to be vegeterian. What i learned was that some people can go vegeterian and some people just werent ment to because of their body structure. It totally blew me away. i felt like i wasted two years of not eating meat.

Prob. cuz you did. I would not be able to suvive. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love my fruits & viggies but I need my meat. I already struggle to keep my weight up so if I cut off my meat supply that's the end for me. aha.

[sr113]

That's what I've tried telling him! But then he brings up that plants don't have feelings and that animals do.

There's no winning with him. :eek:

Broccoli has an advanced nervous system & is capable of feeling pain. Can you imagine just hanging out and some savage vegetarian comes and rips you out of the ground, puts you through water torture & then gnaws on you while you can feel every last bite tearing your flesh? **shudder** That's way too barbaric for me...

[dead_head]

you are not perfect because you didnt capitalise your Y

thats because im the perfect rebel. :p

[jonhomeowner]

Broccoli has an advanced nervous system & is capable of feeling pain. Can you imagine just hanging out and some savage vegetarian comes and rips you out of the ground, puts you through water torture & then gnaws on you while you can feel every last bite tearing your flesh? **shudder** That's way too barbaric for me...
Best post in this topic.

[Simonsin]

hmm yeah, but animals can feel pleasure and pain. plants cannot, they just have basic survival such as apetites, growth and reproduction

How do you know plants do not feel. Just because they cannot talk or show emotion we feel they are not sentient and capable of feeling. I find that hard to believe.

[jonhomeowner]

hmm yeah, but animals can feel pleasure and pain. plants cannot, they just have basic survival such as apetites, growth and reproduction
Why must you insist on telling these lies?

http://davidsright.blogspot.com/2007/01/mythbusters-prove-plants-feel-pain.html

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_can_a_plant_feel_pain_without_a_nervous_system

http://www.sciencenet.org.uk/database/Biology/0211/b01052d.html

[hidden_punk]

well thats shut me up HAHA

[EDogg]

for every animal you dont eat, im eating four

[XIII13]

very impressive. I went vegeterian for 2 years and it didn't do much for me except give me the right to tell people i'm vegeterian. I went to the doctor a couple weeks ago and he told me i'm horrible lacking in a B vitamin that is found in meat and that my body in particular was not ment to be vegeterian. What i learned was that some people can go vegeterian and some people just werent ment to because of their body structure. It totally blew me away. i felt like i wasted two years of not eating meat.


Hard to say wasted. since I posted this I have taken the next step and gone vegan; well working into it. The hardest thing isnt really the stop eating eggs or cheese. I thought I would have a problem with the will power. However the hardest thing for me is looking into everything i eat to see if it has milk or egg in it. But back to your point, you must have type O or O negative blood it is really hard for those people to live vegetarian especially vegan. however it ca be done. Just get atlest 30 mins or an hour of sunlight each day and take a good vitamin supplement. especially iron, B complex and calcium. And it can be done. It all depends on your level of commitment. Not saying you weren't commited 2 years is a long time and it sound like you really did commit. My meaning is are you wil ling to forgo the easy way and make a little more effort to continue? Not saying either it is bad if you go the easy route. so just dont have the time or patience or many other factors. I luckily have both and my sense of self preservation ( for I truly feel this is the way I should live and eat) outwieghs my laziness, and I am a lazy s.o.b.


forever undead
XIII

[EDogg]

Vitamin supplements, the way God intended ;)

I'm all for fair treatment of animals, but seriously, E Dogg needs feeding.

[Rockula]

Many Vegans avoid the need to eat meat by taking various Vitimin B supplements most of which CAN be sourced from vegetables.

However, Vitimin B12, can only be sourced from animals and is a real problem if your morals or ethics dictate that you don't use ANY animal products.

''Deficiency causes macrocytic anemia, elevated homocysteine, peripheral neuropathy, memory loss and other cognitive deficits. It is most likely to occur among elderly people as absorption through the gut declines with age; the autoimmune disease pernicious anemia is another common cause. It can also cause symptoms of mania and psychosis. In rare extreme cases, paralysis can result.''

Pass the fishcakes please.

[jonhomeowner]

Many Vegans avoid the need to eat meat by taking various Vitimin B supplements most of which CAN be sourced from vegetables.

However, Vitimin B12, can only be sourced from animals and is a real problem if your morals or ethics dictate that you don't use ANY animal products.
It can technically be gotten from coral... But to mine that much coral to help people would destroy sea habitats and do a ton of damage to sea-going creatures... So what would be the point for a vegan?

[Johnny Running Shoes]

It can technically be gotten from coral... But to mine that much coral to help people would destroy sea habitats and do a ton of damage to sea-going creatures... So what would be the point for a vegan?

I didn't know people ate coral for B-vitamins. I have heard of coral calcium supplements though. The only animal I know that eats coral is one of these:


http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm36/cerishields/Picassotriggerfish.jpg

[zacklove]

my girlfriends a vegan, its hard as shit to go out to eat with her, but i guess its nice to animals

[jonhomeowner]

I didn't know people ate coral for B-vitamins. I have heard of coral calcium supplements though. The only animal I know that eats coral is one of these:
They don't eat the coral. Some b-12 supplements are made from coral... But they're highly expensive because of how miniscule the amounts of b-12 are in coral.

[jonhomeowner]

my girlfriends a vegan, its hard as shit to go out to eat with her, but i guess its nice to animals
Like they care.

[zacklove]

they dont care, its just a stereotype

[hidden_punk]

my girlfriends a vegan, its hard as shit to go out to eat with her, but i guess its nice to animals

eh its not so bad
ive been out a few times with vegan friends

last time i ate mock duck, made from wheat protein... as weird as it sounds it was pretty good

[dead_head]

Hard to say wasted. since I posted this I have taken the next step and gone vegan; well working into it. The hardest thing isnt really the stop eating eggs or cheese. I thought I would have a problem with the will power. However the hardest thing for me is looking into everything i eat to see if it has milk or egg in it. But back to your point, you must have type O or O negative blood it is really hard for those people to live vegetarian especially vegan. however it ca be done. Just get atlest 30 mins or an hour of sunlight each day and take a good vitamin supplement. especially iron, B complex and calcium. And it can be done. It all depends on your level of commitment. Not saying you weren't commited 2 years is a long time and it sound like you really did commit. My meaning is are you wil ling to forgo the easy way and make a little more effort to continue? Not saying either it is bad if you go the easy route. so just dont have the time or patience or many other factors. I luckily have both and my sense of self preservation ( for I truly feel this is the way I should live and eat) outwieghs my laziness, and I am a lazy s.o.b.


forever undead
XIII


yeah i would take suppliments if a drug incident didnt leave me with the tormet of becoming noxious at the thought of taking pills.

[Rockula]

I went out with a Vegan once. She wouldn't 'eat my meat' so the affair was over.

[No Cash]

I went out with a Vegan once. She wouldn't 'eat my meat' so the affair was over.
your sounding like jon with these terrible jokes

what i dont understand is no matter what u do u have to kill to survive

why does it matter if its plants or animals

[hooligan77]

very impressive. I went vegeterian for 2 years and it didn't do much for me except give me the right to tell people i'm vegeterian. I went to the doctor a couple weeks ago and he told me i'm horrible lacking in a B vitamin that is found in meat and that my body in particular was not ment to be vegeterian. What i learned was that some people can go vegeterian and some people just werent ment to because of their body structure. It totally blew me away. i felt like i wasted two years of not eating meat.

Alot of my friends are vegans and when I visit them I am starving because I am total carnivore. It is like you said some people just were not ment to be vegeterian. I respect my friends for their beliefs anyway though. I just make sure when I visit that I eat well before I spend a week of not really eating anything that I would consider food with a bunch of booze.

[Johnny Running Shoes]

Alot of my friends are vegans and when I visit them I am starving because I am total carnivore. It is like you said some people just were not ment to be vegeterian. I respect my friends for their beliefs anyway though. I just make sure when I visit that I eat well before I spend a week of not really eating anything that I would consider food with a bunch of booze.

Dude, lentils and booze don't mix.:D

[hooligan77]

One vegan I know constantly compares bees making honey to slavery. "IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN AMERICA HAD SLAVES!!!!@#$!@#"

You are some interesting motherfuckers. But, weird.

[asmalltowndisaster]

I'm vegetarian, not vegan (I haven't been able to take that leap yet). It's not a matter of "eating animals is wrong." It's the cruelty that comes with meat production. If the animals were kept and killed humanely, I would eat the shit out of them. Meat is good. I won't deny that for a second. I don't get the people who lecture on not eating meat. I know first hand that it has no effect since others had done the same to me.

However, humans were not meant to eat as much meat as we tend to. I must say, I feel much better since I went vegatarian.

But I can't stand those fucking douchebags who look down on vegans/vegetarians because they think it's "stupid" and can't comprehend any possible motivation for it.

[georgedcc]

I'm vegetarian, not vegan (I haven't been able to take that leap yet). It's not a matter of "eating animals is wrong." It's the cruelty that comes with meat production. If the animals were kept and killed humanely, I would eat the shit out of them. Meat is good. I won't deny that for a second. I don't get the people who lecture on not eating meat. I know first hand that it has no effect since others had done the same to me.

However, humans were not meant to eat as much meat as we tend to. I must say, I feel much better since I went vegatarian.

But I can't stand those fucking douchebags who look down on vegans/vegetarians because they think it's "stupid" and can't comprehend any possible motivation for it.

I pretty much agree with all of this. I'm a vegetarian as well, but not a vegan. To me the design argument (we've got canines so therefore is natural) doesn't work simply because humans moved out of being natural a long time ago. Its not natural that a human can kill an elephant, but we can. Or to use a more extreme example, it's not natural that someone with mental or physical health problems should survive. But thankfully we've transcended naturalness and can now keep people alive. Its also natural for animals to eat meat raw, which we can't.
That all said I have no problem with people eating meat, I don't think them wrong and me right, its just two different dietary preferences.

[the senator]

i was a vegeterian for almost 16 years but recently went back to eating meat. i can't say that i ever really missed eating meat when i wasn't but i don't have any intentions of becoming a vegeterian again. it's easier and cheaper not to be and i don't have to read the ingrediants of every damn thing i eat anymore. if that's wrong then i'm wrong, what ever.

[RattyAirSixQueen]

Many Vegans avoid the need to eat meat by taking various Vitimin B supplements most of which CAN be sourced from vegetables.

However, Vitimin B12, can only be sourced from animals and is a real problem if your morals or ethics dictate that you don't use ANY animal products.

''Deficiency causes macrocytic anemia, elevated homocysteine, peripheral neuropathy, memory loss and other cognitive deficits. It is most likely to occur among elderly people as absorption through the gut declines with age; the autoimmune disease pernicious anemia is another common cause. It can also cause symptoms of mania and psychosis. In rare extreme cases, paralysis can result.''

Pass the fishcakes please.

I know this is a really old post, but actually, you can get b12 without eating meat. How do you think animals get it? They get it from eating vegetation, more specifically, unwashed vegetation. That grosses some people out, but I have no problem taking veggies from my garden and foregoing the rinse cycle.

But yeah, it's a personal choice. I'm actually a pesketarian, but most people don't know what that is, so I tell them I'm a vegan that eats fish once in a while. What it boils down to is that I could give up everything except sushi. I love me some raw fish.

[RattyAirSixQueen]

Also, I eat honey.

[opfiend]

Also, I eat honey.

Honey is the #1 reason I'm not vegan.

[jonhomeowner]

I know this is a really old post, but actually, you can get b12 without eating meat. How do you think animals get it? They get it from eating vegetation, more specifically, unwashed vegetation. That grosses some people out, but I have no problem taking veggies from my garden and foregoing the rinse cycle.
Uhm, unwashed veggies have it because B-12 is an animal byproduct. Veggies that have it on them basically get it from FECAL MATTER.

[KidoftheBlackHole]

Honey is the #1 reason I'm not vegan.

It's the number one reason for anyone who isn't vegan.

[opfiend]

It's the number one reason for anyone who isn't vegan.

Or maybe it's because they eat meat or dairy....

[RattyAirSixQueen]

Honey is the #1 reason I'm not vegan.
The arguement about honey doesn't make any sense to me. I don't even use it that often, I just don't see any reason not to. The bees make it whether we use it or not. I buy from local beekeepers who don't harm their bees. Plus, having those dudes nearby helps my garden, my nut trees, and fruit trees reproduce.

[KidoftheBlackHole]

Or maybe it's because they eat meat or dairy....

No you are mistaken.

[RattyAirSixQueen]

Uhm, unwashed veggies have it because B-12 is an animal byproduct. Veggies that have it on them basically get it from FECAL MATTER.

I know that. It hasn't hurt me yet, and no animals were harmed in the making of fecal matter(at least not in any way outside of the natural order of things). :)

[opfiend]

The arguement about honey doesn't make any sense to me. I don't even use it that often, I just don't see any reason not to. The bees make it whether we use it or not. I buy from local beekeepers who don't harm their bees. Plus, having those dudes nearby helps my garden, my nut trees, and fruit trees reproduce.
Buying local is always a good idea. I can see how the honey arguement applies to commercial beekeepers, though I really don't know much about. I don't mind bees although I really dislike being stung.

No you are mistaken.
Hmm the honey business must be bigger than I thought!

[KidoftheBlackHole]

Hmm the honey business must be bigger than I thought!

It is humongous. It funds the secret global government ToxicVomit knows so much about.

[jonhomeowner]

The arguement about honey doesn't make any sense to me. I don't even use it that often, I just don't see any reason not to. The bees make it whether we use it or not. I buy from local beekeepers who don't harm their bees. Plus, having those dudes nearby helps my garden, my nut trees, and fruit trees reproduce.
BUT YOU'RE MAKING THE BEES YO SLAVES IF YOU USE THEIR HONEY!

Didn't you know!?

[RattyAirSixQueen]

BUT YOU'RE MAKING THE BEES YO SLAVES IF YOU USE THEIR HONEY!

Didn't you know!?

Fuck, I better rethink this. I was wondering why the Stoltes offer a package deal that includes a bull whip with the purchase of 2 or more jars.

[Daily Life Arrggh]

I'm actually a pesketarian, but most people don't know what that is, so I tell them I'm a vegan that eats fish once in a while.

hahaha

[Bitch in a Box]

BUT YOU'RE MAKING THE BEES YO SLAVES IF YOU USE THEIR HONEY!

Didn't you know!?

.........

[Bitch in a Box]

I've been vegan since i was 2. I'm too nice of a person to eat animals. I cant even push a dog off the couch cuz i dont wanna be mean. Does that make me a hippie?

[jonhomeowner]

.........
What, you're the vegan... You didn't know that?

It's what other vegans have told me.

[jonhomeowner]

I've been vegan since i was 2. I'm too nice of a person to eat animals. I cant even push a dog off the couch cuz i dont wanna be mean. Does that make me a hippie?
No, it makes you too stupid to live.

Along with all of the other stupid stuff I've seen you post, I mean.

[Bitch in a Box]

No, it makes you too stupid to live.

Along with all of the other stupid stuff I've seen you post, I mean.

Were you beat when you were a child? Is that why you're so hostile? If not, please enlighten me.

[jonhomeowner]

Were you beat when you were a child? Is that why you're so hostile? If not, please enlighten me.
I'm not hostile. You just make stupid posts, jump the gun, and blow things out of proportion. And then, when somebody explains why you are wrong, you ignore them and continue like nobody proved you wrong 100 times over.

[Bitch in a Box]

I'm not hostile. You just make stupid posts, jump the gun, and blow things out of proportion. And then, when somebody explains why you are wrong, you ignore them and continue like nobody proved you wrong 100 times over.

But you never proved me wrong, i just didn't feel like arguing because it is nearly impossible to win an argument with someone so hard-headed and programmed by mainstream media, i didn't feel like wasting my energy. And honestly i never read any posts that "proved me wrong" because it wasn't worth my time. And you ARE somewhat hostile.

[jonhomeowner]

But you never proved me wrong, i just didn't feel like arguing because it is nearly impossible to win an argument with someone so hard-headed and programmed by mainstream media, i didn't feel like wasting my energy.
What in the fuck are you babbling about? I didn't cite mainstream media at all.

I, in fact, found the text of the ACTUAL BILL and... READ IT! Fantastic idea, isn't it? I read the actual bill and found out what it was about... Without ever using any mainstream media source.

You were proven wrong so easily by the simple act of ACTUALLY READING THE bill instead of reading some random website and believing what they said about it.

And honestly i never read any posts that "proved me wrong" because it wasn't worth my time.
Then you are waste of human space. If you simply ignore face and reason and claim that it's not worth your time, you should probably just kill yourself. As a human being, acting like that, you are holding the human race back, to be honest.

In short, you fail. Your entire life is made of fail. You are disgrace to the human race.

[Bitch in a Box]

Then you are waste of human space. If you simply ignore face and reason and claim that it's not worth your time, you should probably just kill yourself. As a human being, acting like that, you are holding the human race back, to be honest.

In short, you fail. Your entire life is made of fail. You are disgrace to the human race.

See? Hostility. And thats rude. I've never said one mean thing about or to you and yet you still say shit like that. If you ask me, thats childish.

[jonhomeowner]

See? Hostility. And thats rude. I've never said one mean thing about or to you and yet you still say shit like that. If you ask me, thats childish.
You're an idiot, so I don't care what you think about me.

You're continuing to ignore facts. First you ignored my posts about the GIVE bill, then you said that I used "mainstream media sources" (which I didn't). When I call you on that, you ignore it completely without responding. You're pathetically childish.

[Phil_Spectre]

Don't care what people eat, I wish everyone was the same way.

[Captain_Obvious]

Don't care what people eat, I wish everyone was the same way.

Same here... but the problem is the holier than thou vegans that try to push their lifestyle on you... they're like the Mormons of the food world..

[DaVe WrEcKLesS]

Discuss veganism. I'm not vegan myself so I can't exactly start it, but I still respect it

Oh actually I have a question

It is to my understanding that some don't eat meat due to cruelty to animals etc. but I was wondering. Bears eat fish, snakes eat mice and so on, why is it meant to be a bad thing to eat a steak or chicken then??

And no I am not trying to poke fun at this lifestyle I only had a question

the reason people choose not to eat meat is because unlike bears and snakes people are omnivores which means they can survive with either a plant based or meat based diet since humans can go either way many choose the less cruel option of a plant based diet. Furthermore, this is not the hunting and gathering age where people eat what they kill instead animals are killed in slow and painful manners and are forced to live in squalor and are processed with unhealthy additives.

[jonhomeowner]

Gosh, meat is tasty.

[Johnny Running Shoes]

Gosh, meat is tasty.

I'm drooling just reading this thread.

[Nips]

i just had a ham and jarslberg sandwhich. it was murder and rape in a bun. mm mm.

[sr113]

the reason people choose not to eat meat is because unlike bears and snakes people are omnivores which means they can survive with either a plant based or meat based diet since humans can go either way many choose the less cruel option of a plant based diet. Furthermore, this is not the hunting and gathering age where people eat what they kill instead animals are killed in slow and painful manners and are forced to live in squalor and are processed with unhealthy additives.

Spoken like someone who lives in a city & can buy whatever they want, and is completely out of touch with half the population of the USA who live in a rural setting. Also, most bears are omnivores.

[faileddrummer]

I'll take Vegans, Vegetarians, PETA, and animal activists seriously when they burn down their 20000 sq ft house and replant the forest that was once there (Hey, animals have more rights, right?). Until then, STFU and GTFO!

[jonhomeowner]

Also, most bears are omnivores.
Yes. Only polar bears are mostly-carnivorous. But that's because they need everything from animal proteins and fat to keep them through the winter months when things to eat are scarce.

[jonhomeowner]

Spoken like someone who lives in a city
Which is funny, btw, since he has said he wants to tear the system down.

[RattyAirSixQueen]

I'll take Vegans, Vegetarians, PETA, and animal activists seriously when they burn down their 20000 sq ft house and replant the forest that was once there (Hey, animals have more rights, right?). Until then, STFU and GTFO!

I'm not a vegan(I eat fish), but I certainly don't have a 20000sq ft house, or a 2000sq ft house for that matter. I also plants vegetable gardens and trees where ever I live. Not all veggie people are self righteous twats with too much money and time on their hands. I also don't support PETA. So, maybe simmer down with the blanket statements?

[faileddrummer]

I'm not a vegan(I eat fish), but I certainly don't have a 20000sq ft house, or a 2000sq ft house for that matter. I also plants vegetable gardens and trees where ever I live. Not all veggie people are self righteous twats with too much money and time on their hands. I also don't support PETA. So, maybe simmer down with the blanket statements?

Then maybe I wasn't referring to you? No blanket statements at all as most of that was directed to PETA. However, the majority of the animal activists I run into fit the description above perfectly.

[RattyAirSixQueen]

Then maybe I wasn't referring to you? No blanket statements at all as most of that was directed to PETA. However, the majority of the animal activists I run into fit the description above perfectly.

I guess it didn't apply to me as I'm not an animal activist. I like animals, I probably feed and care for too many of them, but def not an activist. Yeah, peta are a pile. I'm not down with experimentation on animals, or inhumane euthanasia, but peta isn't much of a help with their high kill numbers of adoptable animals in their shelters. I mean, fuck, I live in a pretty backwards fucked up county, and our county humane society is a no kill shelter. Peta can't do that?

[DaVe WrEcKLesS]

Spoken like someone who lives in a city & can buy whatever they want, and is completely out of touch with half the population of the USA who live in a rural setting. Also, most bears are omnivores.
I don't live in a city. Although I do live near one. But I rarely buy food in fact most of the food
I eat I grow myself in my vegetable garden.

[INVISIBLE_LEADER]

I'll take Vegans, Vegetarians, PETA, and animal activists seriously when they burn down their 20000 sq ft house and replant the forest that was once there (Hey, animals have more rights, right?). Until then, STFU and GTFO!

I think you're confusing animal liberation with deep ecology, because otherwise this makes no sense.

[Bitch in a Box]

Same here... but the problem is the holier than thou vegans that try to push their lifestyle on you... they're like the Mormons of the food world..

I don't like vegans that go around pushing their lifestyle on others. It annoys me. They just have to learn to accept the fact that people WILL eat meat. Hell, at least Americans aren't eating dogs.

[jonhomeowner]

Hell, at least Americans aren't eating dogs.
Some are. And why not? Those things are tasty and low in fat!

[opfiend]

I don't like vegans that go around pushing their lifestyle on others. It annoys me. They just have to learn to accept the fact that people WILL eat meat. Hell, at least Americans aren't eating dogs.

Are you saying that dogs are better than cows?

[Bitch in a Box]

Are you saying that dogs are better than cows?

If i had to choose between a dog and a cow for a pet i would choose the dog. Cows aren't a very good house pet.

[opfiend]

If i had to choose between a dog and a cow for a pet i would choose the dog. Cows aren't a very good house pet.

I don't think we were talking about pets.

[INVISIBLE_LEADER]

If I was starving in the third world, I'd eat a dog, no questions asked. The only reason we don't eat things like dogs and cats is because we can afford not to.

[Bitch in a Box]

If I was starving in the third world, I'd eat a dog, no questions asked. The only reason we don't eat things like dogs and cats is because we can afford not to.

Yeah, you're probably right.

[sr113]

Are you saying that dogs are better than cows?

Dogs make better burglar alarms than cows, because cows won't chase & bite a burglar. And you can feed them with scraps off your plate because they have the same diet as us.

[opfiend]

Dogs make better burglar alarms than cows, because cows won't chase & bite a burglar. And you can feed them with scraps off your plate because they have the same diet as us.

Dogs are also good "she has a boy in her room that not supposed to be in there" alarms.

[the senator]

Dogs are also good "she has a boy in her room that not supposed to be in there" alarms.

all the more reason to add dog to your diet.

i honestly think i would try dog, given the proper set of circumstances.

[oigrrrl805]

We were watching some survivor type show during my history class after we all finished presenting our project for finals. The guy ate bugs (poinsonous ones included) and a camel. He did some other stuff with the camel which I can't describe because by that point I was too disgusted to watch any further so I just sat there with my head to the desk listening to music for the rest of the class.

[the senator]

We were watching some survivor type show during my history class after we all finished presenting our project for finals. The guy ate bugs (poinsonous ones included) and a camel. He did some other stuff with the camel which I can't describe because by that point I was too disgusted to watch any further so I just sat there with my head to the desk listening to music for the rest of the class.

alright, so this guys joins the military and is staioned in afganistan. before long he starts getting horny so he asks the other guys in the unit for advice. everyone just keeps telling him "the camel is tied up beside the latrine". after weeks of hearing the same answer the guy gets good and drunk one night and goes and fucks the camel. the next morning he goes over to one of the guys in his unit and says, "i thought you guys were crazy but last night i fucked that camel in the ass and it was pretty amazing". the other guy looks at him and says, "what the fuck is wrong with you?, you were supposed to ride the camel to the whore house in town."

[Bitch in a Box]

alright, so this guys joins the military and is staioned in afganistan. before long he starts getting horny so he asks the other guys in the unit for advice. everyone just keeps telling him "the camel is tied up beside the latrine". after weeks of hearing the same answer the guy gets good and drunk one night and goes and fucks the camel. the next morning he goes over to one of the guys in his unit and says, "i thought you guys were crazy but last night i fucked that camel in the ass and it was pretty amazing". the other guy looks at him and says, "what the fuck is wrong with you?, you were supposed to ride the camel to the whore house in town."

.....wow

[georgedcc]

alright, so this guys joins the military and is staioned in afganistan. before long he starts getting horny so he asks the other guys in the unit for advice. everyone just keeps telling him "the camel is tied up beside the latrine". after weeks of hearing the same answer the guy gets good and drunk one night and goes and fucks the camel. the next morning he goes over to one of the guys in his unit and says, "i thought you guys were crazy but last night i fucked that camel in the ass and it was pretty amazing". the other guy looks at him and says, "what the fuck is wrong with you?, you were supposed to ride the camel to the whore house in town."

I must have heard the joke 50 times now but it never gets old:)

[Daily Life Arrggh]

I don't like vegans that go around pushing their lifestyle on others. It annoys me. They just have to learn to accept the fact that people WILL eat meat. Hell, at least Americans aren't eating dogs.

I don't see what's wrong with eating dogs, the only reason it seems fucked up to you is because you were brought up believing that dogs are only to be domesticated and kept as pets, not that they're also a source of food among other things.. in my opinion meat is meat for the most part.

[INVISIBLE_LEADER]

I don't see what's wrong with eating dogs, the only reason it seems fucked up to you is because you were brought up believing that dogs are only to be domesticated and kept as pets, not that they're also a source of food among other things.. in my opinion meat is meat for the most part.
I said something similar to this when the Michael Vick dogfighing thing was going on and Jonhomowner got all upset. I don't know what the point of telling this story is, but whateves.

[Daily Life Arrggh]

I said something similar to this when the Michael Vick dogfighing thing was going on and Jonhomowner got all upset. I don't know what the point of telling this story is, but whateves.

yeah i don't think i was around yet when that topic popped up on the boards

[jonhomeowner]

I said something similar to this when the Michael Vick dogfighing thing was going on and Jonhomowner got all upset. I don't know what the point of telling this story is, but whateves.
Because dogs have not been bred for eating.

[BlogLeastResistance]

Discuss veganism. I'm not vegan myself so I can't exactly start it, but I still respect it

Oh actually I have a question

It is to my understanding that some don't eat meat due to cruelty to animals etc. but I was wondering. Bears eat fish, snakes eat mice and so on, why is it meant to be a bad thing to eat a steak or chicken then??

And no I am not trying to poke fun at this lifestyle I only had a question

I can see that being vegan is a good thing, and I wish I was able to do it, but I honestly like meat too much. I would only do it for health reasons, nothing more. I can't stand some vegans who take it upon themselves to be condescending towards those who eat meat and the same for some meat eaters who insult vegans. It's a personal choice and it should stay that way without animosity on either end. One is not better than the other. I hate PETA and the ALF with a passion, mainly for their tactics and their outlined goals for animal liberation. Animal liberation is not something I support...More animal rights, yes, but not total liberation. Likening modern slaughterhouses to the holocaust is degrading to the millions of people who lost their lives under Hitler's reign. I am more concerned with the cleanliness of the meat than to how the animal was treated, but there are certain extremes that do make me sick...It's just not as widespread of a problem as the animal rights activists would like you to think. Plus, PETA is an organization that euthanize animals under the guise that there was no other way...They preach animal liberty, then they kill 'em. Hypocritical? And the ALF utilizes terrorist tactics to achieve their goals...Possibly killing people to save a few animals...What the fuck? These organizations are devaluing humanity and putting animals above people. I say fuck that. There are much worse atrocities happening to people around the world that would make any PETA video look like bad PG-13 horror. I have no problems with vegans, as I stated above, just some of them.

http://blogofleastresistance.blogspot.com/

[INVISIBLE_LEADER]

Because dogs have not been bred for eating.
You're lucky to be privileged enough to say that.

[sr113]

I don't see what's wrong with eating dogs, the only reason it seems fucked up to you is because you were brought up believing that dogs are only to be domesticated and kept as pets, not that they're also a source of food among other things.. in my opinion meat is meat for the most part.

For the most part, I stick to eating vegetarians. I put in for deer tags whenever the freezer supply gets low, but I stay home for bear season. The only meat eaters I eat are fish and chicken.

[jonhomeowner]

You're lucky to be privileged enough to say that.
Not really. They haven't been bred for eating. That has nothing to do with privilege. Plenty of animals have been domesticated specifically for eating. Dogs aren't one of those animals.

[Bitch in a Box]

Not really. They haven't been bred for eating. That has nothing to do with privilege. Plenty of animals have been domesticated specifically for eating. Dogs aren't one of those animals.

Not in America. They do in korea and places like that though. Although it's not as bad as our breeding cattle to eat.

[Bitch in a Box]

I can see that being vegan is a good thing, and I wish I was able to do it, but I honestly like meat too much. I would only do it for health reasons, nothing more. I can't stand some vegans who take it upon themselves to be condescending towards those who eat meat and the same for some meat eaters who insult vegans. It's a personal choice and it should stay that way without animosity on either end. One is not better than the other. I hate PETA and the ALF with a passion, mainly for their tactics and their outlined goals for animal liberation. Animal liberation is not something I support...More animal rights, yes, but not total liberation. Likening modern slaughterhouses to the holocaust is degrading to the millions of people who lost their lives under Hitler's reign. I am more concerned with the cleanliness of the meat than to how the animal was treated, but there are certain extremes that do make me sick...It's just not as widespread of a problem as the animal rights activists would like you to think. Plus, PETA is an organization that euthanize animals under the guise that there was no other way...They preach animal liberty, then they kill 'em. Hypocritical? And the ALF utilizes terrorist tactics to achieve their goals...Possibly killing people to save a few animals...What the fuck? These organizations are devaluing humanity and putting animals above people. I say fuck that. There are much worse atrocities happening to people around the world that would make any PETA video look like bad PG-13 horror. I have no problems with vegans, as I stated above, just some of them.

http://blogofleastresistance.blogspot.com/

Yeah, PETA and ALF are extreamists and they only show the worst of whats happening, but its still happening. And I'm partial to PETA. But alot of people would feel differently if dogs and cats were being treated the way the cows, pigs, and chickens are being treated. And i'm not saying it's happening at every slaughter house. I'm just saying it's happening.

[jonhomeowner]

Not in America. They do in korea and places like that though. Although it's not as bad as our breeding cattle to eat.
No, they ARE being eaten. They were not domesticated for that reason, though. Dogs were domesticated for hunting, companionship and defense - the world over. The fact that they are also being eaten does not change this.

Furthermore, eating carnivorous animals is pretty bad for you.

[oigrrrl805]

I heard PETA wanted Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream to switch to human milk instead of using cow milk.

[INVISIBLE_LEADER]

Not really. They haven't been bred for eating. That has nothing to do with privilege. Plenty of animals have been domesticated specifically for eating. Dogs aren't one of those animals.

If you can afford to pick and choose which animals you eat, it's because your privilleged. Most of the world doesn't have this luxury and eats whatever is available.

[sr113]

If you can afford to pick and choose which animals you eat, it's because your privilleged. Most of the world doesn't have this luxury and eats whatever is available.

http://www.badidea.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mcdonalds.jpg

[Dickbutt McGilicutti]

I'm an oportunivore, I eat when I get the chance, and I get a lot of shit for it. If i had more money, I would love to eat, healthier, and eventually become vegan or vegetarian. I can't afford to live a sustainable vegan lifestyle. About 85% of the vegans I know are pretty good off on money and can afford sustainable vegan groceries. I'm tired of being treated like Charles Manson cause I'm not a vegan

It's not like it's anything new, I mean people have been doing for the past millions of years. I'm guessing; by early humans watching other animals/species eat is how we got the idea for ourselves to consume meat.
The more we look at it scientificly; we are animals and would probably be just as much as a meal to a bear as a cow is to us or whatever low foodchain species that we find edible. I'm totally against the way animals are being treated in labs/farms. If I decide to eat meat I am going to kill it myself.

[BlogLeastResistance]

Yeah, PETA and ALF are extreamists and they only show the worst of whats happening, but its still happening. And I'm partial to PETA. But alot of people would feel differently if dogs and cats were being treated the way the cows, pigs, and chickens are being treated. And i'm not saying it's happening at every slaughter house. I'm just saying it's happening.

It's happening in very small numbers and for the most part, they are isolated incidents...These organizations give a bad name to the majority because the actions of a few.

And another point I'd like to make is animal rights activists are completely against animal testing. I do agree that cosmetics, beauty products, etc. should not be tested on animals. So many cures have been found through animal testing that it should always remain an open avenue to explore with a few restrictions of course. There is always a potential to find cures for human ailments with animal testing. Sacrificing a small number of animals for the sake of humanity is reasonable to me.

http://blogofleastresistance.blogspot.com/

[georgedcc]

It's happening in very small numbers and for the most part, they are isolated incidents...These organizations give a bad name to the majority because the actions of a few.

And another point I'd like to make is animal rights activists are completely against animal testing. I do agree that cosmetics, beauty products, etc. should not be tested on animals. So many cures have been found through animal testing that it should always remain an open avenue to explore with a few restrictions of course. There is always a potential to find cures for human ailments with animal testing. Sacrificing a small number of animals for the sake of humanity is reasonable to me.

http://blogofleastresistance.blogspot.com/

I'm a vegetarian and i agree that using an animal for an experiment on cancer/aids/whatever is worthwhile. Where i have an objection is when companies test out cosmetics on animals. They do stuff like see how toothpaste an animal can have in its eye before it disintegrates. Thats what i object to, not the medical research.

[georgedcc]

If I decide to eat meat I am going to kill it myself.

How often do you actually get an opportunity to do that though?

[sr113]

How often do you actually get an opportunity to do that though?

All the time. That's what "hunting season" is for.

[revolutionary poet]

Discuss veganism. I'm not vegan myself so I can't exactly start it, but I still respect it

Oh actually I have a question

It is to my understanding that some don't eat meat due to cruelty to animals etc. but I was wondering. Bears eat fish, snakes eat mice and so on, why is it meant to be a bad thing to eat a steak or chicken then??

And no I am not trying to poke fun at this lifestyle I only had a question


to give you a less biased answer, most vegan people believe that the way the animals are killed is the cruel thing

for example, a wolf eating a deer
the deer has a chance to escape, etc

cattle are raised to be slaughtered and have no chance of escape, and are sometimes very cruelly treated.
in the US, there are no laws preventing chickens from being tortured or treated cruelly before being slaughtered.

that's just a bit of why vegans/vegetarians don't eat meat. :)

[opfiend]

to give you a less biased answer, most vegan people believe that the way the animals are killed is the cruel thing

for example, a wolf eating a deer
the deer has a chance to escape, etc

cattle are raised to be slaughtered and have no chance of escape, and are sometimes very cruelly treated.
in the US, there are no laws preventing chickens from being tortured or treated cruelly before being slaughtered.

that's just a bit of why vegans/vegetarians don't eat meat. :)

Vegans/vegetarians don't eat meat because they are squimish little girly girls.

[revolutionary poet]

Vegans/vegetarians don't eat meat because they are squimish little girly girls.

like i said, a less biased opinion.
aka, i don't rip on people for doing their own thing.
i don't eat meat, because i don't want to.
feel free to down as many cows as you want my dear, but maybe you should take into consideration the thoughts/beliefs of others and not start shit.

[opfiend]

like i said, a less biased opinion.
aka, i don't rip on people for doing their own thing.
i don't eat meat, because i don't want to.
feel free to down as many cows as you want my dear, but maybe you should take into consideration the thoughts/beliefs of others and not start shit.

Stuffed bull penises make the best dildos.

[No Cash]

non meat eating is natural and will ruin family values

[KidoftheBlackHole]

Stuffed bull penises make the best dildos.

That's why you have a herd of bulls. For their penises!

[KidoftheBlackHole]

like i said, a less biased opinion.
aka, i don't rip on people for doing their own thing.
i don't eat meat, because i don't want to.
feel free to down as many cows as you want my dear, but maybe you should take into consideration the thoughts/beliefs of others and not start shit.

Maybe you should calm the fuck down and realize when people are messing with you.

[opfiend]

That's why you have a herd of bulls. For their penises!
Well seeing as I don't eat meat that would be the reason.

Maybe you should calm the fuck down and realize when people are messing with you.
Common among new people.

[KidoftheBlackHole]

Well seeing as I don't eat meat that would be the reason.


Common among new people.

FUCKING NOOBS!

[GraemeSatan]

if meat is murder, then murder sure is tasty.

Adopt a pig or something.

[MergedLoki]

I BELIEVE IN ANIMAL RIGHTS!!!

Animals have the right to be tasty.

I dunno. i've had a few vegetarian friends over the years (not full out veagan. never met any of them). but they weren't assholes about it. they just were like 'yea im not gonna eat meat etc. if you do thats cool'

so it was fine.

[Mister Jude]

One of my best friends is a vegetarian and he never even says anything to anybody else about their food choices.

My aunt is one, and she doesn't really make a big deal out of it... AAAAND, I also dated a girl that was, and she never said anything either.

Every VEGAN, on the other hand, that I've EVER known... LOVES to throw it around that they're vegan and that everybody else is terrible for killing animals, etc, etc... They're worse than Prius owners.

[INVISIBLE_LEADER]

Both of my room mates are vegan and they cooked me a big steak once. Quite regularly they'll buy me bacon and eggs for breakfast too.

[leahxmackenzie]

To answer the original question, vegetarians and vegans aren't really concerned with eating meat in general. It's the torture and abuse that the animals go through before and while they're being killed for us to eat. For instance, any given animal is usually not given enough room to turn around in their inclosure, and then, because they're so close together, they (particularly the males) fight each other and damage themselves for food purposes, so (in the case of chickens) they have their beaks burned off so they can't peck anymore.

Also, cows that are used for milk are fed massive amounts of hormones and/or steroids so they can make babies sooner, so we can instantly take the babies away and either kill them or, again, feed them massive amounts of hormones so they'll grow up faster.

If you aren't concerned with the animals' heath or feelings, consider this: If we were to take all of the grains we're growing, and instead of feeding it to cows and selling the meat/milk for a fairly large sum of money, we fed it to all of the millions of starving humans around the world.... What do you think is going to feed more people, the few pounds of meat you get from one cow or the hundreds and sometimes thousands of pounds of wheat that you need to feed that one cow for its (shortened) lifespan?

For those of you concerned with lack of vitamins, you don't have to choke down a million pills every morning just to stop your hair from falling out. I mean, obviously if you eat nothing but Skittles and microwave burritos, you're not going to be healthy, but seriously? What made you think that being a junk food vegitarian was a good thing in the first place? Name one vitamin that you think is only in meat, and I can name three other places at least that it's in.

And people who are just on here to annoy veg(etari)an people by saying stupid things like "If meat is murder, then murder tastes good."? I hope you realize that that makes you sound totally uneducated.

[suburbanXpunk]

One of my best friends is a vegetarian and he never even says anything to anybody else about their food choices.

My aunt is one, and she doesn't really make a big deal out of it... AAAAND, I also dated a girl that was, and she never said anything either.

Every VEGAN, on the other hand, that I've EVER known... LOVES to throw it around that they're vegan and that everybody else is terrible for killing animals, etc, etc... They're worse than Prius owners.

and prius owners are pretty bad. why else would anybody buy a car that looks like that if they weren't an asshole about their purpose?

[BlogLeastResistance]

and prius owners are pretty bad. why else would anybody buy a car that looks like that if they weren't an asshole about their purpose?

Hybrid is the new macho.

[suburbanXpunk]

Hybrid is the new macho.

high school will never be the same

[BlogLeastResistance]

high school will never be the same

Instead of a new Camaro, Beefcake's parents got him a Prius...It's funny.

[suburbanXpunk]

Instead of a new Camaro, Beefcake's parents got him a Prius...It's funny.

but he was damn proud of it!

[Fall Of Efrafa]

Check us out. We're Fall of Efrafa.

[blackvelvetmagazine]

My favorite Vegan faux pas is alot of them call people "Carnivores"... When in fact people that eat meat are "Omnivores" cause they eat both veg AND meat..

A person that eats ONLY meat is a dead person.. :p

I'm vegan. I never call people carnivores. Funny thing is, a guy who ate meat decided to give me feedback on my zine and told me that the vegan mentions put him off as he's a 'carnivore'. WTF? I was thinking 'You're not a carnivore!' - I think a lot of meat eaters actually believe they are carnivores - more than vegans. Us vegans usually actually argue that people are omnivores as meat eaters use the excuse that they eat meat due to being 'carnivores' and having carnivorous teeth (which obviously people don't).

[sr113]

I'm vegan. I never call people carnivores. Funny thing is, a guy who ate meat decided to give me feedback on my zine and told me that the vegan mentions put him off as he's a 'carnivore'. WTF? I was thinking 'You're not a carnivore!' - I think a lot of meat eaters actually believe they are carnivores - more than vegans. Us vegans usually actually argue that people are omnivores as meat eaters use the excuse that they eat meat due to being 'carnivores' and having carnivorous teeth (which obviously people don't).

I have never heard a vegan argue that. I've heard lots of vegans say "I show my love for animals by eating stuff with a shitload of palm oil in it so that I can slaughter orangutans right and left" or "I buy soy products so I can help Monsanto fuck over the world more than McDonalds" or "I buy Monsanto-free soy so I can help exploit child slave labor", but I've never heard a vegan argue the omnivore point.

[safetypinsam]

I don't mind people being vegans but stop with the vegan activism in restaurants where they serve meat. Screaming "Meat is death!" and scolding people for eating meat in the middle of a restaurant is stupid, annoying, and will do nothing to help your cause. It may also land you in the hospital or jail. I've tried vegan meals and some of it is very good. I still like meat though. For many of us, a completely meatless diet is a very big step.

[safetypinsam]

Stuffed bull penises make the best dildos.

Ouch! Bad visual on that one.!!eek There's a tough act to follow!

[opfiend]

Ouch! Bad visual on that one.!!eek There's a tough act to follow!

I don't even remember typing that !!eek

[Fukface82]

Personaly I don't notice a vegan presence anymore.

[safetypinsam]

I don't even remember typing that !!eekhahaha I wanna party at your house!drink(*&

[opfiend]

hahaha I wanna party at your house!drink(*&

That'd be a long way to travel just to party! :)

[safetypinsam]

That'd be a long way to travel just to party! :) I could use a vacation. BTW I lived in Portland for a few years. Used to go to Satyricon before it was sold. Moved to Vegas in '96.

[opfiend]

I could use a vacation. BTW I lived in Portland for a few years. Used to go to Satyricon before it was sold. Moved to Vegas in '96.

I only went to Satyricon for my first and probably last time (heard they're closing) recently. Good all ages venue in a city filled with shows in bars...but I will be 21 soon enough and it won't matter then! How long did you live in Portland?

[safetypinsam]

I only went to Satyricon for my first and probably last time (heard they're closing) recently. Good all ages venue in a city filled with shows in bars...but I will be 21 soon enough and it won't matter then! How long did you live in Portland?

5 years. It wasn't bad, just not alot of jobs. It's hard to make good money there.

[JordinBabe]

im vegan.mostly cuz ive always been creepd out by meat,i hate all milk products,an i never really gave a shit wat i ate so i figured wat the hell.
i dont really care if you eat meat,cheese,or drink buckets of blood

[puzzled_panther]

I'm vegan but I'm probably the unhealthiest vegan on the planet.

[JonNny]

I'm not a vegetarian (or a vegan [or, more obscurely, a peskatarian]) but I don't mind if anyone decides to be for whatever stupid or well-thought reasons they have. It only bothers me when the self rightious ones take it upon themselves to alert the world that it is dead flesh on my plate. If I had given a shit in the first place I wouldn't have ordered it and nothing any douche bag in a burger king can say will change my mind.

Diet is a personal choice that should be left to the individual, and perhaps their doctor.

--JonNny--

P.S.: Hello, First post.

[Nekro Red]

I work with a vegan... its a pain in the ass..... "i cant eat there" so i have to deal with his dietary views .... that shouldnt be in the work place....they should have to bring there lunch or there should be more options at fast food places

[loverfighterbeth]

I was vegan for almost this whole year, then I got told to include dairy and seafood in my diet... I'm kinda at the stage where I still love eating vegan quite a bit, and I eat mostly vegetarian, but I'm not ruling out ever eating like a cheeseburger or something if I really want it. I guess what I'm trying to say is, my philosophy is: eat what you want to eat and don't label or put restrictions or rules on yourself :) maybe someday I'll go vegan again but for now I'm happy with doing what I'm doing. We'll see.

[sr113]

I was vegan for almost this whole year, then I got told to include dairy and seafood in my diet... I'm kinda at the stage where I still love eating vegan quite a bit, and I eat mostly vegetarian, but I'm not ruling out ever eating like a cheeseburger or something if I really want it. I guess what I'm trying to say is, my philosophy is: eat what you want to eat and don't label or put restrictions or rules on yourself :) maybe someday I'll go vegan again but for now I'm happy with doing what I'm doing. We'll see.

Totally. If you feel like slaughtering orangutans to eat vegan, or maybe you just like exploiting child slave labor or want to help Monsanto fuck over the world by buying soy, go for it!

[David Joseph]

Discuss veganism. I'm not vegan myself so I can't exactly start it, but I still respect it

Oh actually I have a question

It is to my understanding that some don't eat meat due to cruelty to animals etc. but I was wondering. Bears eat fish, snakes eat mice and so on, why is it meant to be a bad thing to eat a steak or chicken then??

And no I am not trying to poke fun at this lifestyle I only had a question

no yellin, but vegans taste the best

[loverfighterbeth]

no yellin, but vegans taste the best

Hahahahahah :)

@sr113 - Yeah, there's a LOT of hypocrisy in veganism... but thing is, there is just no such thing as a cruelty-free lifestyle. Everywhere you turn there's hidden exploitation/corruption/etc... so I guess what vegans really try to do is cruelty minimisation. Because it's not like they're the only ones who consume palm oil and soy either. I dunno, it's all so complicated. I try not to think about it too much these days!

[Suicidal Punk]

I respect their causes, they're just so fucking annoying sometimes.

[sr113]

Hahahahahah :)

@sr113 - Yeah, there's a LOT of hypocrisy in veganism... but thing is, there is just no such thing as a cruelty-free lifestyle. Everywhere you turn there's hidden exploitation/corruption/etc... so I guess what vegans really try to do is cruelty minimisation. Because it's not like they're the only ones who consume palm oil and soy either. I dunno, it's all so complicated. I try not to think about it too much these days!

I don't consume palm oil at all, & I keep the soy to a minimum, but I also don't go around ramming my diet down people's throats, so I'd never make it as a vegan.

[loverfighterbeth]

I don't consume palm oil at all, & I keep the soy to a minimum, but I also don't go around ramming my diet down people's throats, so I'd never make it as a vegan.

Ahaha, I'm one hundred percent sure that not all vegans are ridiculously in your face about their diets :D I know a fair few who never mention it unless absolutely necessary.

[sr113]

Ahaha, I'm one hundred percent sure that not all vegans are ridiculously in your face about their diets :D I know a fair few who never mention it unless absolutely necessary.

I'm sure I'll come across one someday. Kinda like bigfoot - they don't exist until you see one.

[loverfighterbeth]

I'm sure I'll come across one someday. Kinda like bigfoot - they don't exist until you see one.

Yep, exactly like that :) or... I *used* to be a non-in-your-face-vegan... so maybe I sorta count?

[shitbyLzaMichelle]

1) Being vegan isn't healthy
2) PETA is stupid. That's not being blunt... they really are stupid. 75 percent of the animals they "save" end up dying because they release them into the wild when they are still too weak. Only 25 percent of the animals in an animal shelter die... they know what they're doing and yeah animals are going to die.

I'm vegetarian though...

[opfiend]

1) Being vegan isn't healthy
2) PETA is stupid. That's not being blunt... they really are stupid. 75 percent of the animals they "save" end up dying because they release them into the wild when they are still too weak. Only 25 percent of the animals in an animal shelter die... they know what they're doing and yeah animals are going to die.

I'm vegetarian though...

Not every vegan is a member of PETA. What about being vegan isn't healthy?

[joekersten]

Not every vegan is a member of PETA. What about being vegan isn't healthy?

The part about denying yourself the joy's of bacon and sausege.

[shitbyLzaMichelle]

Not every vegan is a member of PETA. What about being vegan isn't healthy?


I know that. But people in PETA are Vegan yes? Yes. Some are like extreme vegetarians I guess. It's not unhealthy just being vegan, but most people who are vegan don't get the right types of protein and whatnot.

[sr113]

I know that. But people in PETA are Vegan yes? Yes. Some are like extreme vegetarians I guess. It's not unhealthy just being vegan, but most people who are vegan don't get the right types of protein and whatnot.

Soy protein works just fine. You have to choose between child slave labor flavor, or Monsanto flavor.

[jerseybyrd]

Im a meat eater I have to have meat. Protein is good for ya. mmmm :D

[opfiend]

The part about denying yourself the joy's of bacon and sausege.
Ahh. Vegan "meat" just isn't the same...

I know that. But people in PETA are Vegan yes? Yes. Some are like extreme vegetarians I guess. It's not unhealthy just being vegan, but most people who are vegan don't get the right types of protein and whatnot.
Not all of them. Some of them are vegetarians or just against fur. I know PETA members that consume meat. People like that are gonna be unhealthy no matter what they eat.

[joekersten]

Ahh. Vegan "meat" just isn't the same...

I think real meat gets offended when you call anything "vegan meat". However I have at least tried it, my roomate made me vegan meatballs one night and I ended up getting food poisoning. That might have something to do with my reluctantness to try it again.

[opfiend]

I think real meat gets offended when you call anything "vegan meat". However I have at least tried it, my roomate made me vegan meatballs one night and I ended up getting food poisoning. That might have something to do with my reluctantness to try it again.

I've has some good vegan meat. TVP (textured vegetable protien) is generally good when seasoned well. I've also had some amazing veggie burgers but I'm not really into the frozen ones.

[joekersten]

I've has some good vegan meat. TVP (textured vegetable protien) is generally good when seasoned well. I've also had some amazing veggie burgers but I'm not really into the frozen ones.

Well then if we ever happen to have a meal together I MIGHT trust you, although I'm not promising a thing.

[opfiend]

Well then if we ever happen to have a meal together I MIGHT trust you, although I'm not promising a thing.

I don't think you want to eat anything I make. Steve's the cook. :)