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06-30-2007, 12:19 PM
Ian MacKaye says it best: “Punk is indefinable, so therefore it can never be dead. You can’t kill something that doesn’t really have a single definition.” This is basically correct.

No one has ever been sure exactly what punk is. We think we know it when we hear it (loud, fast, brash, snotty and sloppy) and see it (dirty leather jackets, patches, safety pins, mohawks). But when you consider that, say, Talking Heads, a group of art students dressed like a collegiate debate team playing African-influenced funk, are considered punk pioneers, those superficial images get thrown out the window.

So what does it mean to be punk, then? And, if there is no answer to that question, how can anyone claim, as people have from practically the moment the Sex Pistols broke up, that punk is dead?

Working from that point of view, director Susan Dynner offers her opinion in the title of her new documentary: Punk’s Not Dead. Through new interviews with icons such as Mike Ness and punk-doc staple Henry Rollins and nouveau riche newbies like Sum 41, and segments on the Warped Tour and kids living and hosting shows at a place they call the Drunk Tank, Dynner sets out to prove punk is an amorphous entity, shifting shapes depending on who is inhabiting it, and thus cannot be killed.

Dynner skips over proto-punk and the first wave, eras that have already been covered and mythologized to death, and jumps straight to the second generation, which molded the things the earlier bands seemed to represent (consciously or not) into a set of workable ideals and created an international network of artists, labels and fans that flourished completely beneath the mainstream radar. MacKaye calls it one of the most important periods in the history of popular music, and he is right. But it is also during this time when that punk went pedantic. Suddenly, rules were being applied to something that began not as a movement but as a way for teenagers who hated Styx to keep themselves from dying of boredom.

Which leads us to the early ’90s and the so-called “punk renaissance.” After a late ’80s lull, Nirvana blew up out of nowhere, selling millions of records and breaking the glass ceiling open for everyone else. Soon, punk was everywhere — on radio and MTV, at malls, on the racks at Target — and bands that originally formed with no concept of “making it” were having commercial opportunities dropped in their lap. And so began the great debate: Can anything embraced by society at large be considered punk?

Dynner examines this existential crisis, and what she comes up with is not a definitive statement but a paraphrase of the late, great Minutemen’s take on the subculture that “changed their lives”: punk is whatever you want it to be. As such, she doesn’t judge the freshly scrubbed, platinum-selling pop idols playing what their toothless, is punk, nor the old farts continuing to flog their dead horses at dingy clubs around the world. She lets them both have their say, and in the end, leaves it to the viewer to find their own personal definition. And that, ultimately, is Dynner’s conclusion: Punk, as a revolution, failed as badly as hippie utopianism, but as a tool for individual empowerment, it still breathes heavy.


Punk’s Not Dead screens at the Seaside Park date of the Warped Tour. Info: www.punksnotdead themovie.com.

Death_By_Punk
06-30-2007, 03:35 PM
Ding Ding Ding Ding


Hear that?

Its the bell sounding for every punk documentary to come eat from the cash bucket!

FilmGal
06-30-2007, 04:01 PM
Eh, most documentaries are lucky if they break even. Most are a labor of love, or someone trying to convince others that his/her point of view is right.

Jessica

Death_By_Punk
06-30-2007, 04:18 PM
I just wonder how many we need on just this one subject. Of all the punk documentaries I've seen I've found that books are usually more informative than films.

KidoftheBlackHole
07-01-2007, 03:42 AM
But movies have those moving pictures and sounds and stuff.

Death_By_Punk
07-02-2007, 05:13 PM
I'm not trying to be a party pooper or anything, but I just believe in the principle that if you're not doing it first or better, then its probably not a good idea to do it at all. O fall the movies I've seen on the subject they all seem to cover the same bands, the same this, and the same that. You know. Cut to (insert name here) saying they started it, then cut to Henry Rollins saying something, fade in to concert, then onto 40 year old Johnny Rotten shaking his head going "Those were some crazy times", then cut to a mtv video clip, then to some rock journalist, then credits, the end.

Bongwater
07-22-2007, 10:52 PM
I agree with the above post about how they seem to always talk about the same things. That being said, I think that American Hardcore has been the best one so far. (Yeah I know the book is better but u can only fit so much into a 90 minute movie).
Johnny

drunkenbastard
07-27-2007, 09:42 AM
American hardcore was the best thus far, but yeah, of course the books are better. You can fit more (and more discriptive) shit in a book more than a flick any day. But I dont think that takes the value away from it, theres always somthing missing from reading what someone said 2nd hand, rather than watching them say it themselves, in my opinion.

My Favorite Punk docs-

1. American Hardcore
2. Punk: Attitude by Don Letts
3. Urban Struggle The Battle for the Cookoos Nest (which I have on DVD if anyone wants a copy)
4. Another State of Mind
5. Decline Part 1

Heres hoping they make a doc out of "Please Kill Me" I havent seen a good NYC centered flick about punk.

colinrebellion
07-28-2007, 12:58 AM
Man this damn movie has been planned to be made since 2003 I haven't seen any preview for it at all, I've skimmed through American Hardcore (the book) at barnes and noble (I buy alot of music from there) I skimmed through it and it seems like a good book

citybabylissarage
07-28-2007, 03:20 AM
Man this damn movie has been planned to be made since 2003 I haven't seen any preview for it at all, I've skimmed through American Hardcore (the book) at barnes and noble (I buy alot of music from there) I skimmed through it and it seems like a good book

American Hardcore already has a DVD by the same title. :]

Welp. Just noticed that was already mentioned. Therefore, I feel kind of stupid.

But American Hardcore was definitely amazing.

!straightfuckingedge
08-07-2007, 06:24 PM
I've seen the myspace preview for it, it looks good until they started talking bout MCR and all them other retarded bands!

Tommy_Rebel
09-28-2007, 04:38 PM
Did any of you guys even see the movie!?!?!? I thought it was pretty damn decent personally.

punknzippy
09-28-2007, 09:29 PM
i weill have to keep my eye out for this one , ive got the donn letts one and that was good , i am also reading an oral history of punk rock by john robb which is a very informative read so far