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ToxicVomit
04-18-2008, 09:42 AM
(Scroll down for the German article) So you think It can't happen here?


http://www. usatoday. com/news/nation/2006-02-15-houston-cameras_x. htm



Posted 2/15/2006 7:56 PM
Houston police chief wants cameras on homes, streets



HOUSTON (AP) — Houston's police chief on Wednesday proposed placing surveillance cameras in apartment complexes, downtown streets, shopping malls and even private homes to fight crime during a shortage of police officers.



"I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?" Chief Harold Hurtt told reporters Wednesday at a regular briefing.



Houston is facing a severe police shortage because of too many retirements and too few recruits, and the city has absorbed 150,000 hurricane evacuees who are filling apartment complexes in crime-ridden neighborhoods. The City Council is considering a public safety tax to pay for more officers.



Building permits should require malls and large apartment complexes to install surveillance cameras, Hurtt said. And if a homeowner requires repeated police response, it is reasonable to require camera surveillance of the property, he said.



Scott Henson, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Police Accountability Project in Texas, called Hurtt's building-permit proposal "radical and extreme" and said it may violate the Fourth Amendment's protections against unreasonable searches.



Andy Teas with the Houston Apartment Association said that although some would consider cameras an invasion of privacy, "I think a lot of people would appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them.

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Such cameras are costly, Houston Mayor Bill White said, "but on the other hand we spend an awful lot for patrol presence." He called the chief's proposal a "brainstorm" rather than a decision.



The program would require City Council approval.



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Germany to Allow Video Surveillance of Private Homes
.. .. ....Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Not even the home will be safe from surveillance.... ....
Changes proposed to the law governing Germany's federal criminal police operations would allow investigators to use wire taps and surveillance cameras in homes of innocent citizens to keep tabs on terror suspects.


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Under the government proposals, federal police would be permitted to install "hidden technical equipment, that is to say bugs or cameras inside or outside apartments ... if there is a pressing danger for state security," interior ministry spokesman Stefan Paris said at a news conference on Friday, April 18.





"I would urgently like to stress that there are very, very strict conditions ... and it is not the case that everywhere in this country secret cameras or listening devices will be installed in living spaces," he said. "It is about terrorist threats that would be averted through preventative measures by the federal police.

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Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Be careful what you -- and your friends -- say at home

He added that such methods were already allowed in several German states.





"Recording and filming must be restricted to the suspect and the suspect's own home These methods are also permissible in the homes of other persons if evidence shows that the suspect is present or if employing these measures solely in the home of the suspect is insufficient to contain potential risk. The measure may also be taken if other persons are immediately at risk," says paragraph 20 of the draft, according to the dpa news agency.





In the past, such measures were illegal on the grounds that they marked a breach of the sanctities of the home and the confidentiality of private conversations. Current regulations call for police to turn off their equipment when suspect talk about private matters.





A cabinet decision on what is known as the BKA law is expected this summer. The acceptability of using video cameras as well as microphones in private homes for up to a month has divided opinion among the Social Democrats, who share power at the federal level with Chancellor Angela Mekel's Christian Democrats.





Skepticism persists



Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Cabinet ministers recently agreed spy software could be used in Germany

The new draft regarding video surveillance met with resistance among members of her party. Berlin's Interior Minister Ehrhart Koerting (SPD) and Sebastian Edathy (SPD), the chairman of the Bundestag's Interior Affairs Committee, were among those voicing strong skepticism.





"I see no need for video surveillance in private homes," said Edathy in the daily Neue Osnabrücker Zeitung on Friday. "There is no apparent justification.

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He also stressed that his party would resist this most recent extension to BKA privileges.





After months of discussions, Justice Minister Brigitte Zypries (SPD) and Interior Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble (CDU) settled this week on a compromised version of the BKA Law, with Zypries drawing the line at allowing investigators to break into homes to install spyware programs on private computers.





As it stands, investigators may only access private computers via the Internet.





Resistance remains



The SPD's interior affairs expert Dieter Wiefelspuetz had similar reservations about the online searches.





"This needs to be looked into carefully," he said, also expressing the hope that the Christian Democrats' push to allow police to break into private homes would be unsuccessful.





"If they try to get this through, they will soon end up in the country's Constitutional Court," he predicted. "Covertly entering people's homes to install spying software would only be acceptable if the Constitution is changed," he stressed.





Interior ministers' conference



Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Schaeuble's proposals have been described as draconian

Germany's state interior ministers are ending their spring conference in the spa resort of Bad Saarow in Brandenburg on Friday.





Topping the agenda were the issues of online searches and a possible ban on the far-right party, the NPD.





In Friday's edition of the daily Schweriner Volkszeitung, Edathy criticized the participants' failure to make progress on the latter issue:



"The majority of the CDU and the CSU are unwilling to discuss creating a framework that would allow an NPD ban," he complained.

KILLEDBYDEATH
04-18-2008, 12:41 PM
Boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:d

jonhomeowner
04-23-2008, 04:32 PM
They're only doing this to cut-down on a possible rehashing of nazism. Smart people, those Germans!

opfiend
04-24-2008, 10:25 PM
do you think people care what the Germans do? I mean, it can't really get worse than what Hitler did for Germany...this doesn't seem like much

ToxicVomit
04-25-2008, 05:25 AM
do you think people care what the Germans do? I mean, it can't really get worse than what Hitler did for Germany...this doesn't seem like much

If people care or not, it's just another example of big brother tightening the reigns and higher enforcement of a police state - do you think that just because it is happening in Germany means that it cannot happen in your country? This has been happening little by little in America - but why care about the Americans? (and it can get worse in the long run)