conspiracy-a planning and acting together secretly, esp....

[Simonsin]

for an unlawful or harmful purpose, such as murder or treason

This is a message from a friend asking you... please,watch and listen carefully. Open your eyes and fight for your rights, before they are lost forever!
if you are still uncertain. do your research folks.
cheers!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

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(I just replied to this, but it then disappeared)

Great documentary......I first saw it a few months ago. Open your eyes sheople and hope the ignorant break the chains of distraction!

[xdipsomaniacx]

I watched it for about 20 minutes, but then it was super long and family guy was on. Plus, I don't mind tax returns. I am a single mother, I get plenty of money back. Of course, for those that don't, I guess they would be interested.

[ToxicVomit]

The Federal Income tax was illegally put into place - The IRS is a privatized banking institution that taxes every dollar (they are not a part of the government). Most citizens work almost 5 months out of the year to just pay this tax. Tax returns seem to be nice to get back, but we would have even more if this illegal institution did not take control of out entire society - take a look at where all federal tax money we pay goes to. We are making the elite ruling class of bankers even more rich and powerful by them taking our money (which are really receipts anyway - and no longer in gold). There is no law in writing that says we have to pay a federal income tax, they just use fear of imprisonment against us and most think that it MUST be a law if it is being done. The problem is that most of us are not educated enough about the origins and legalities of the federal income tax and the IRS.

[jonhomeowner]

Wait, are you seriously saying that the IRS is not part of the government?

Go vote for Ron Paul, you fucking faggot.

[Simonsin]

the IRS is not legally a part of the government. of course they are in on it together. But the point is it is not authorized by the people for the peopl. because in all actuality the people should be the government. But that is not the case. And Ron Paul in not in the running any more. Faggot!

[ToxicVomit]

Wait, are you seriously saying that the IRS is not part of the government?

Go vote for Ron Paul, you fucking faggot.

Yes......do some research on the IRS (I would call you a name here, but that is your intelligent way of expressing your issues).

......and aren't you the "faggot?" - I mean, really?

[jonhomeowner]

Yes......do some research on the IRS (I would call you a name here, but that is your intelligent way of expressing your issues).
The IRS is a government institution. It was created by the government. If functions in tandem with the government. Employees of the IRS are considered FEDERAL EMPLOYEES... AND IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR TAXES, THE GOVERNMENT ARRESTS YOU. How does that make them not part of the government?

......and aren't you the "faggot?" - I mean, really?
No, I'm pretty sure you are, Ron Paul-lover.

[jonhomeowner]

the IRS is not legally a part of the government. of course they are in on it together. But the point is it is not authorized by the people for the peopl.
What? Are you serious?

First-of all, just because the people didn't directly authorize it does not make it "not part of the government". That's ridiculously a fallacious argument. Secondly, congress created the IRS. Being that congress "speaks for the people" (legally), then "the people" created the IRS.

because in all actuality the people should be the government.
Where is this written? In magic-la-la-ignore-the-facts-land?

We have a representative government, as the Constitution set us up to have.

But that is not the case. And Ron Paul in not in the running any more. Faggot!
The fact that you think you can't vote for someone because they're not running shows me how little you really know about the political system, cock-washer.

[ToxicVomit]

The IRS is a government institution. It was created by the government. If functions in tandem with the government. Employees of the IRS are considered FEDERAL EMPLOYEES... AND IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR TAXES, THE GOVERNMENT ARRESTS YOU. How does that make them not part of the government?


No, I'm pretty sure you are, Ron Paul-lover.

Public school did you much justice, I see - ignorance must truly be bliss for you........

There is no use going back and forth for me........all I can say is try to dig a little deaper in your research.

......and I did not know I was a Ron Paul lover!? Ignorance exposed through assumption?

[jonhomeowner]

Public school did you much justice, I see - ignorance must truly be bliss for you........
Yes, BECAUSE you are so very enlightened.

The only ignorance I see here is yours, believing crazy conspiracy theories when the answer is right in front of you. If you want to be thought-of as insane and illogical, then go ahead and do so. I'll stick with rational ideas.

There is no use going back and forth for me........all I can say is try to dig a little deaper in your research.
If you think there is something I missed, why not provide it?

......and I did not know I was a Ron Paul lover!? Ignorance exposed through assumption?
This whole IRS thing is the type of thing Ron Paul loves to say.

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Hidden In Plain Site

I will agree that there are holes in the "conspiracy theory," but there are even more holes in the "official" version. Take a look who was on the 9/11 Commission......

[jonhomeowner]

Hidden In Plain Site

I will agree that there are holes in the "conspiracy theory," but there are even more holes in the "official" version. Take a look who was on the 9/11 Commission......
Haha. The 9/11 Commission report made a lot of sense to me. I didn't find any holes in it.

You keep saying things that are supposed to sound profound, but you offer no evidence, so just STFU.

[ToxicVomit]

Haha. The 9/11 Commission report made a lot of sense to me. I didn't find any holes in it.

You keep saying things that are supposed to sound profound, but you offer no evidence, so just STFU.

Jet fuel does not get hot enough to melt the steel infrastructure of the building........there were explosions going off in the base of the buildings before any of the planes hit...........the building were built to withstand several large planes to hit.........many of the supposed hijackers were found alive living normal lives in their own countries.........how did a paper passport survive if the explosions totally destroyed everything else..........why aren't they releasing any of the surveilance videos that would have filmed the plane hitting the pentagon.........how did a few small fires in building 7 make it collapse.........why did they find angle-cut beams in the base of the twin towers with molten steal..........why was there molten medal still burning in the base of the buildings weeks later at over 200 degrees.......why weren't there any plane pieces, leggage, bodies, etc found at the pentagon (except for a engine of a plane that did not match the one stated to hit the building.......why were there terror exercises being done of planes hitting the twin towers and the pentagon that same morning...........most of the fuel exploded in the air when it hit the buildings.........what happened with NORAD.......when there were no flights allowed, why were members of the Bin Laden family allowed to fly out of the country...........

........it goes on and on.......

[jonhomeowner]

Jet fuel does not get hot enough to melt the steel infrastructure of the building........
LOL.

Easily debunked. Sure, it doesn't get hot enough to MELT the steel, but any engineer with half-a-brain can tell you it gets hot enough to WEAKEN the steel.

there were explosions going off in the base of the buildings before any of the planes hit...........
Please provide proof of this.

Oh, you can't?

the building were built to withstand several large planes to hit.........
Nope. No fucking way. They were built to withstand strong winds and some other stuff, but not to be hit by planes. Furthermer, they did both withstand one large plane hit. They eventually crumbled because of it, but they withstood the initial impact, which is all you can hope for a building, really.

many of the supposed hijackers were found alive living normal lives in their own countries.........
Cool. That's crazy. I'd love to meet them. Can I have their contact info?

how did a paper passport survive if the explosions totally destroyed everything else..........
Quite a few things survived the explosions. It's random chance.

why aren't they releasing any of the surveilance videos that would have filmed the plane hitting the pentagon.........
Because it's the government?

how did a few small fires in building 7 make it collapse.........
There are many explanations for building 7 on the internet, if you look. And they're not all crazy.

http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/youmeanddupree/70/36.html

why did they find angle-cut beams in the base of the twin towers with molten steal..........
The answer? They didn't.

why was there molten medal still burning in the base of the buildings weeks later at over 200 degrees.......
Are you suggesting that there is something weird about this? Fuels of all types and plenty of other substances can burn for a very long time. And with the open-air site, this is easy to see.

why weren't there any plane pieces, leggage, bodies, etc found at the pentagon (except for a engine of a plane that did not match the one stated to hit the building.......
There was plane wreckage found. Your conspiracy theory sites tell you that there was none.

why were there terror exercises being done of planes hitting the twin towers and the pentagon that same morning...........
There weren't.

most of the fuel exploded in the air when it hit the buildings.........
Your point?

what happened with NORAD.......
Scrambled fighters would take over 20 minutes to reach NYC. So even after they thought that a second plane might be hijacked and flying towards NYC, they wouldn't've had enough time to stop it.

when there were no flights allowed, why were members of the Bin Laden family allowed to fly out of the country...........
The ad is as false as it can be when it claims the bin Laden family members flew home "when most other air traffic was grounded" following the attacks of September 11, 2001. In fact, according to the final report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (the 9/11 Commission), the bin Laden flight was on Sept. 20. (See footnote 28 in the 9/11 Commission's report in "supporting documents" at right). That was one week after the FAA allowed commercial air traffic to resume at 11am on Sept. 13.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2004/media_fund_twists_the_truth_more_than.html

Furthermore, the above talks about a Bin Laden flight out of the country. Guess what? It was on their PRIVATE plane. Commercial air traffic was banned. Many private planes were still allowed to fly after 9/11. Therefore, they could've left the next day and nothing would've been weird about it.

Check your facts, you fucking retard.

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denial denial denial

There are photos of the angle cuts, as well as numerous other peices of evidence if you would just look beyond the government created official version of events.........what a gas! Look for the architects statement describing how the building was built to withstand plane hits - it's on video: Oh.....that must have been photo-shopped or something too then , right?

Look beyond the report - I do not need to keep providing info.......look it up yourself!

Thank you for another ignorant name, by the way - you obviously have week points in order to resort to name calling all over this site.......

..........I shall await your ignorance with another wonderful title! (you may have it from here)

[jonhomeowner]

denial denial denial

There are photos of the angle cuts, as well as numerous other peices of evidence if you would just look beyond the government created official version of events.........what a gas! Look for the architects statement describing how the building was built to withstand plane hits - it's on video: Oh.....that must have been photo-shopped or something too then , right?
If these photos exist, why aren't you posting them here?

And how do I know they weren't manipulated?

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:1fxWY9YZk_oJ:www.ussartf.org/world_trade_center_disaster.htm+world+trade+center +built+to+withstand+a+plane+hit&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

It contains statements from an engineer that says only nuclear containment facilities are built to withstand a hit from a plane.

And a statement from a WTC construction manager who says that nothing is built to withstand that type of fire.

It also contains some people that talked for the BBC, including a structural engineer who says that nothing on Earth could've saved those buildings. Another expert says that he is actually surprised that the buildings lasted that long, as the core temperature reached 800C.

The site also goes on to explain that the buildings were built to withstand a hit from a plane - a plane of THAT period - one that held 100 people and had a lot less fuel capacity.

(btw, if Nips is reading this: this has a lot of the same information that the site I mentioned before has. It's not the same site, though, unless it's been redesigned. But the diagrams, pictures and a lot of the information is the same)

Look beyond the report - I do not need to keep providing info.......look it up yourself!

Thank you for another ignorant name, by the way - you obviously have week points in order to resort to name calling all over this site.......
No, the only "weak points" here are yours. You keep saying this and that, but you provide absolutely no evidence, again and again. Yes, you made a bunch of statements, but there is nothing to back them up.

I provided links to two different sources that debunked what you said. Popular Mechanics maganize would seem to have absolutely no interest in keeping up a government lie... And the factcheck website is an independent site that attacks anyone that tells lies, no matter whom they are or what their political affiliation is - so again, a source that shouldn't have any interest in lying. Can you debunk either of them? Or can you provide evidence from an unbiased source?

I don't think so.

..........I shall await your ignorance with another wonderful title! (you may have it from here)
Okay, faggot.