political sub cultures.

[Carsten]

I started searching for a sub culture that is political. its gotta be left wing. not too extreme like the autonomes.
but should be
anti capitalistic.
pro feminist.
anti consumerism.
anti racist.
DIY should be a big part of that as well as result of these things.

also it should be socialist or anarchist. pro vegan and against animal abuse. but not too extreme either. music should be punk or industrial or something more anti musical .

also be not mainstream oriented and non conforming. fashion should not be a part of it. but anti fashion could go.

is there such sub culture somewhere. or a form of punk fork that has these things incorporated in it.

i am really tired of my life. I want to find others that has these values and will want to fight for these things. but in a non violent way. and change something.

[neilchaotic]

well theres always the anarcho punk scene and the crust punk scene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-punk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crust_punk
both of those styles of music and scenes meet the criteria you listed, except in the crust scene there is a lot of similar fashion but a certain style of clothes isint a requirement

[urananus]

I started searching for a sub culture that is political. its gotta be left wing. not too extreme like the autonomes.
but should be
anti capitalistic.
pro feminist.
anti consumerism.
anti racist.
DIY should be a big part of that as well as result of these things.

also it should be socialist or anarchist. pro vegan and against animal abuse. but not too extreme either. music should be punk or industrial or something more anti musical .

also be not mainstream oriented and non conforming. fashion should not be a part of it. but anti fashion could go.

is there such sub culture somewhere. or a form of punk fork that has these things incorporated in it.

i am really tired of my life. I want to find others that has these values and will want to fight for these things. but in a non violent way. and change something.

Carsten. I think you are painting yourself into too tight a corner. What Neil says is true, however if memory serves you are also Straight Edge and all the Anarchos and Crusties I've ever met tend to like a beer and a doobie. You may find that by searching for a scene populated only by people who share all of your own preferences and prejudices you end up alone.

[neilchaotic]

oh no...i just realized i started talking about crust punk in a thread, it wont be long before 400 people flood this thread to talk about how horrible and stupid crust punk is and how stupid it is to believe in something more than drinking beer and fucking shit up.

[Carsten]

i do identify Punk with the above values. the punks I knew here in Denmark where autonomes as well. I think punk here in Denmark is purely left wing and also a anarchistic but maybe more self destructive scene in the past where I am not sure how it is today. but still should be pretty much left wing .

also I know that crust or anarcho punk is the punk scene that comes closest to what I regard as punk and my political values.

however I am not a anarchist. I have great sympathy and share some views with anarchist. but I am a socialist more than a anarchist. also never declared myself anarchist but I do vote for red green alliance because they share one of my primary goals. to destroy capitalism.


what I am looking for is a forum or more organized sort of scene where maybe people can do something more active about things and I might be able to help or be a part of something in it.

also I do support the autonomes in many things same as the red green alliance is the only political party in Denmark that does that openly.

I am against violence for no other reason than self defense and there for I wont go to autonomes looking for supporting their cause.

I would in the end if this right wing government we have now is getting elected next year consider to join any demonstration where they throw molotov coctails at cops-

because this country is falling apart in such way it would be considered self defense to do so the way this gov has destroyed my country. its left wing government now or riot time .

meantime I would like to do some political work in more organized groups and with people that maybe are punks and maybe not . but its gotta be serious and in a way where the same people are not ending in prison or is been flagged as trouble makers everytime they do something.

[neilchaotic]

i do identify Punk with the above values. the punks I knew here in Denmark where autonomes as well. I think punk here in Denmark is purely left wing and also a anarchistic but maybe more self destructive scene in the past where I am not sure how it is today. but still should be pretty much left wing .

also I know that crust or anarcho punk is the punk scene that comes closest to what I regard as punk and my political values.

however I am not a anarchist. I have great sympathy and share some views with anarchist. but I am a socialist more than a anarchist. also never declared myself anarchist but I do vote for red green alliance because they share one of my primary goals. to destroy capitalism.


what I am looking for is a forum or more organized sort of scene where maybe people can do something more active about things and I might be able to help or be a part of something in it.

also I do support the autonomes in many things same as the red green alliance is the only political party in Denmark that does that openly.

I am against violence for no other reason than self defense and there for I wont go to autonomes looking for supporting their cause.

I would in the end if this right wing government we have now is getting elected next year consider to join any demonstration where they throw molotov coctails at cops-

because this country is falling apart in such way it would be considered self defense to do so the way this gov has destroyed my country. its left wing government now or riot time .

meantime I would like to do some political work in more organized groups and with people that maybe are punks and maybe not . but its gotta be serious and in a way where the same people are not ending in prison or is been flagged as trouble makers everytime they do something.

if you want to get involved in organized political groups and and be a activist and protest and all that stuff then i think by looking on here you're looking in the wrong place. you have to look for groups around you,your town, towns and cities close by. also if you live in a small town its gonna be hard to find groups like that, they're usually in cities because theres more people there to join their cause. they can be pretty hard to find and even harder to join sometimes because they have to be very careful about who they let in because anyone could be a informant. also a lot of groups groups like that dont generally use forums or group sites because they can be monitored by anyone who takes the time to create an account

[Carsten]

I guess your right. I have been a member of the red green alliance for some time but never got around to go to any of their meetings.

also I been into a Danish forum against police brutality and I been writing politicians about these things as well.

but the things I would like to get involved is should more open and on the net as in forums or something and I would like to do writing or something like that.

the only time I will go to demostrations in the present state of Denmark is if the next government is not red. but I do think by now that a bit of violence to get rid of this government we have now is okay.

rather do something right now that makes use of open communication that can change how people think instead of waiting to see who wins the election next time.

[neilchaotic]

I guess your right. I have been a member of the red green alliance for some time but never got around to go to any of their meetings.

also I been into a Danish forum against police brutality and I been writing politicians about these things as well.

but the things I would like to get involved is should more open and on the net as in forums or something and I would like to do writing or something like that.

the only time I will go to demostrations in the present state of Denmark is if the next government is not red. but I do think by now that a bit of violence to get rid of this government we have now is okay.

rather do something right now that makes use of open communication that can change how people think instead of waiting to see who wins the election next time.

the only thing i can see being a problem is with open communication and only wanting to use forum and sites like that is that usually the only people that use those sites and look up those things are people who are already fighting for the same cause and think the same way you do. the only way to get that information to the general public is to make pamphlets and flyers and pass them out and put them all over town and hope that someone sees them and it opens their eyes to whats going on around them. you cant change the way people think, you can only supply them with information and see what happens and hope for the best

[Carsten]

right on that one too.

I am really not thinking straight after I quit smoking. maybe I should just go to some random violent demonstrations until I can think normal again.

then again I am really opposed to violence. just want to do something that makes sense and make use of the Media internet to share some of my views on the world.

there has to be forums for anarchist or peace loving punks or places to discuss politics I am not aware of and maybe can join.


one thing I can do is start showing up to the red green alliances meetings. also will be meeting other people that way.

I already write to politicians everynow and then. its things like police brutality and the systems corrupted parts I am writing about.

also have the problem now that I filed a complaint against a social worker to the cops that got buried and everything I write per email or when I call the police for otehr reasons they just ignore me.

so I am gone that far in my fight against the corrupted system that I now have no social security or justice at all.

I need to tell my story and others somehow. right now up to an election would be a great rime to start doing things like that.

[neilchaotic]

right on that one too.

I am really not thinking straight after I quit smoking. maybe I should just go to some random violent demonstrations until I can think normal again.

then again I am really opposed to violence. just want to do something that makes sense and make use of the Media internet to share some of my views on the world.

there has to be forums for anarchist or peace loving punks or places to discuss politics I am not aware of and maybe can join.


one thing I can do is start showing up to the red green alliances meetings. also will be meeting other people that way.

I already write to politicians everynow and then. its things like police brutality and the systems corrupted parts I am writing about.

also have the problem now that I filed a complaint against a social worker to the cops that got buried and everything I write per email or when I call the police for otehr reasons they just ignore me.

so I am gone that far in my fight against the corrupted system that I now have no social security or justice at all.

I need to tell my story and others somehow. right now up to an election would be a great rime to start doing things like that.

hahaha not all demonstrations and protests are violent, at least not here, i dont know what its like over there
so i got a list of a couple forums you can check out that might be better suited to your needs
www.anarcho-punk.net great site with a good forum and lots of free music downloads from all over the world, and not just in the punk genre
www.organizeandarize.org another good forum

[Carsten]

thanks. I do know the first site. the second seems to not want to load . or is blocked.

its sorta that kind of forum I will be interested in. really need to share some of the things that is going on here with others and also take more active part in some things. maybe as a writer. I do much better writing in my native language though.

[neilchaotic]

thanks. I do know the first site. the second seems to not want to load . or is blocked.

its sorta that kind of forum I will be interested in. really need to share some of the things that is going on here with others and also take more active part in some things. maybe as a writer. I do much better writing in my native language though.

yeah with organize and arise you have to sign up to be able to do anything

[Carsten]

yeah with organize and arise you have to sign up to be able to do anything

I might sign up there. but I found a other forum too. a Danish one.

actually I do hope to meet others that have same politics or close to mine at least and online forums are really not the way to do that. (not a safe way at least) .

but the red /green alliance holds meetings close to my town and I might be able to come to these.

its really not just my frustrations over this government that drives me to these things.
I just hope they will tar and feather this prime minister of ours and hopefully within the next election.


I am also starting to want to work for my country in a more political manner and meet others that I share common grounds with.

[punkeriksson]

I want the old Denmark (Deilige Danmark) back again. Without all the racist shit, trying to be fake yuppies by copy the moronic Stockholmers.
I want the flyvebåderna back where I can drink my self as drunk as I manage to do without someone telling me what to do., not the stupid bridge.
I want a Ströget where I as a Swede can piss wherever I want after been drinking too much of your very strong Elephant Beer and Dynamit- den er lömsk. While you giving the horrible Swede a frustrated look. I want my Isted Gade full of porn shops where I can get thrown out from laughing to loud after all the beer. I want a Christiania which I cant find because I cant find the way and dont under stand what the danes are saying. I want pumpehuset back where I can punk it out until the day breaks.
I want my kids Lego free from Star Wars merchandice shit.

Danmark used to be a wonderland for a Swede. Now its turned ito a christian fascist state. How did that happened? You must fight for the deilige Danmark.

[me]

Without trying to offend or anything, I honestly don't get why you feel the need to find a subculture to belong to...?

[Carsten]

Without trying to offend or anything, I honestly don't get why you feel the need to find a subculture to belong to...?

well as I said I never had the need before. but as above post seems to point out there is a need for "us" good guys to find each other and fight a lot of stuff. a skinhead uniform or a punk outfit might help identify me for the enemies but also help me find friends.

simple as that.