Anti Vivisection Thread

[hellkrusherbludwulf]

If theres already a thread about this I probably didnt see it so I thought Id post one. So heres the place for vegans, vegitarians, or non vegans or vegitarians, anyone against animal testing, or anyone who wants to be more aware to ask questions, discuss, debate, and keep everyone updated on vivisection-related issues

[neilchaotic]

im not vegan or vegitarian but i am against testing products on animals and the mass slaughter of animals for processed/fast food. ive gotten shit from people because i am against it but i do still wear leather boots and i use leather for patches but i only is if its second hand and i dont have to pay for it. as far as my meat consumption goes i try and buy everything from local farms so i know the animals lead a good long life and were killed in a humane way and not on some assembly line

[d-crustgrindcore]

I'm vegetarian and often wish I could go vegan...and yeah, completely against vivisection, it's fucking disgusting, and scientists really should be able to find some other way to figure shit out by now...plus if they're doing animal testing to find out what works for humans it's not necessarily gonna be right at all since no animal has the exact same DNA as humans, and the closest is Bonobos/chimps, and look at how big the difference between us and them is.

[hellkrusherbludwulf]

Yeah it truly is pointless and stupid, another point that Ive always considered is why should a product is being made with chemicals that can be potentially harmful to a persons well being whether it be natural or un natural? Take the testing of Splenda for example, the reaction that the animals bodies took to it was similar to that of the reaction seen in the human body when cyanide has been introduced to the system. And still after so much trial and error, Splenda is still harmful to the human body. Oh and as for myself I have been vegan for about two years straight now, I had gone vegan six years ago too for about a year and then just went back to being veg for a bit and then actually started eating meat again O_O but I was still against vivisection, and this time around Ive realized how easy it really is to be vegan and Im gunna be vegan for the rest of my life now =)

[neilchaotic]

im not posting this to offend or anger you guys in anyway, i seen this once and thought it was interesting, what are your guys thoughts on it?
<a href="http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff495/eastcoastneil/?action=view&amp;current=vegan.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff495/eastcoastneil/vegan.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

[hellkrusherbludwulf]

Well, as a somewhat experienced vegan I can say I know about quite a good few of those things and know nearly all of the names that they use for a broad range of animal products, yet there were a few things in there that I didnt know about, depending that it may or may not be a reliable source for such information, considering that its like a joke diagram cartoon thing of some sort. For example, I wouldnt know whether or not I was walking on a linoleum floor that was made with cattle fat, would it bother me a little if I knew? Well sure, but if I was purchasing linoleum flooring, I would make sure that it didnt contain any fat. Which brings me to my next point, regardless of whether or not the diagram is totally spot on, there are animal friendly alternatives to just about everything, and vice versa, its ridiculous how many random things people try to incorporate animal ingredients into. All I can say really is that Im pretty confident that the diagram doesnt apply to me.

[neilchaotic]

im gonna try and do some research today on some of the things on the list, mainly the linoleum, sheetrock,insulation and glass. i wanna see if most major companies use these cow ingredients. then next time someone give me shit for eating meat i can give them shit for living in a house made of all these things

[neilchaotic]

now i hate peta with a firey passasion that burns as hot as 1000 suns but i did find this article on their website interesting, its just a list of animal byproducts and what theyre used in and alternatives you can use. i was suprised that animal blood is used as an adhesive in plywood

[neilchaotic]

hahaha i forgot to put the link in, here it is
http://www.peta2.com/stuff/s-AnimalIngredientsList.asp

[Cary]

im not vegan or vegitarian but i am against testing products on animals and the mass slaughter of animals for processed/fast food. ive gotten shit from people because i am against it but i do still wear leather boots and i use leather for patches but i only is if its second hand and i dont have to pay for it. as far as my meat consumption goes i try and buy everything from local farms so i know the animals lead a good long life and were killed in a humane way and not on some assembly line

cheer(*

[hellkrusherbludwulf]

Im not a big fan of peta either, Im more of an ALF kind of person, but I have found some useful information on there too. I dont know if they still have it, but they had this list of companies that test on animals. The only thing was that the list changed alot, like one day it would show a certain set of results and then another day itll show an almost entirely set of results. But it didnt really matter because what changed was usually just the smaller companies that were owned by bigger companies, and so all that I really needed to know was the bigger companies that support that shit so I can just boycott all of their products all together. One company that was always a bitch because they owned EVERYTHING was Unilever, but I recently heard that they had stopped testing on animals, but still I do feel weird buying any of their products because the fact that they stopped doesnt mean that certain products that they still have werent tested on animals to begin with, its how they decided to make the product the way they do. That and I have trouble accepting their history with vivisection.

[neilchaotic]

yeah my hatred for peta began when i found out that since 1999 that have put down 86% of all animals they took in and in 2009 they put down just over 97% of all the animals they took in. theres a good site www.petakillsanimals.com and you can read petas offical reports about how many animals they put down. i had always figured they put down at least a few animals, no animal shelter service find homes for all their animals but peta puts them down in record numbers

[HarleyQuinn18]

im not posting this to offend or anger you guys in anyway, i seen this once and thought it was interesting, what are your guys thoughts on it?
<a href="http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff495/eastcoastneil/?action=view&amp;current=vegan.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff495/eastcoastneil/vegan.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

I love it. Not trying to bitch at vegans or vegetarians just the ones that think they are so badass cause of it.

My sister in-law thinks she's the greatest shit on earth cause she is a vegan and thinks me and everyone are shit cause we aren't.... its fucking annoying.

I've tried being vegetarian cause I love animals. But I can't cause I like meat and there are very few non-meat meals that I actually like.

So I do my part by buying products that aren't animal tested, never wear/buy fur or leather, and I don't eat at places that I know are inhumanely killing their animals. So at least give me credit for trying.

[hellkrusherbludwulf]

Oh I know what you mean, I actually really cant stand those types that try to turn veganism into some egotistical issue either, they make the rest of us who are truly in it for the cause look bad. Of course I do believe that most people who try to support the slaughter of animals for some bullshit reason do irritate me and really do need to educate their selves, but your reason is one of the few if not the only slightest reason to eat meat. You just like the way it tastes, end of story. One thing to consider though is would you eat raw meat, without any seasoning like you would an apple from a tree? There really is no natural flavor in meat whatsoever and if undercooked it can make a person deathly ill. Personally, I like to cook and season most of my food, but it definitely wouldnt kill me if I ate the things I ate raw, as a matter of fact Ive considered a few times going on a raw diet but Ive never actually gone through with it.

[sr113]

Oh I know what you mean, I actually really cant stand those types that try to turn veganism into some egotistical issue either, they make the rest of us who are truly in it for the cause look bad. Of course I do believe that most people who try to support the slaughter of animals for some bullshit reason do irritate me and really do need to educate their selves, but your reason is one of the few if not the only slightest reason to eat meat. You just like the way it tastes, end of story. One thing to consider though is would you eat raw meat, without any seasoning like you would an apple from a tree? There really is no natural flavor in meat whatsoever and if undercooked it can make a person deathly ill. Personally, I like to cook and season most of my food, but it definitely wouldnt kill me if I ate the things I ate raw, as a matter of fact Ive considered a few times going on a raw diet but Ive never actually gone through with it.

I love steak tartar & I don't put anything on it.

[hellkrusherbludwulf]

Hmmm... well I dont really know what to say about that haha. Well if thats what you do, I guess. Just as long as no ones trying to push any shit on me. Or on anyone else for that matter.

[neilchaotic]

i dont put any seasoning on meat when i cook it either, it tastes better without it and its mainly poultry that will make you sick if you undercook it, you get salmonella and its fuckin horrible, i had it once before when i was 19 and i hope it never happens again.

[d-crustgrindcore]

Yeah PETA is hypocritical and full of shit, ALF is where it's at (would have quoted some peices of conversation early that I'm responding to but my computer fucked up my attempts to do so)

[hellkrusherbludwulf]

What I like about ALF is how much they are about taking action on these issues. As we all know peta not only does nothing to solve shit, but the exact opposite, not to mention that the kind of actions they do propose that are supposedly going to stop the abuse of animals are nothing short of ridiculous. For example, their solution to the seal slaughter in Canada was to boycott maple syrup because it comes from Canada, *sigh*. ALF however, is like "Lets get off our asses and fucking DO something about it!" Direct fucking action, and thats what I like to see and am very ready to get involved in.

[neilchaotic]

speaking of seals and canada check this out http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/883/975/627/

[MissMolotov]

Vive section breaks my heart.