Operation Ivy (Energy Remastered!)

[ChrisJones]

speaking of CD's you fell in love with when you were 14....

I haven't picked this up yet. From what I gather the remastering doesn't really sound much different than the original. And this is an exact copy of the lookout one. The insert is the same, the art is the same. The only thing different is its now in digipak(cardboard pack) form.

So if epitaph/hellcat own this now does this mean we will be seeing Op Ivy on nissan commercials?

[thebigother]

I can just imagine the guitar line from Yellin In My Ear being used as an outro to some hybrid station wagon comercial.

[Fritz]

Just imagining it makes me feel sick

[BEERnBRATWURST]

The idea of "remastering" makes me ill.... that's why I listen to albums as much as possible.

[riot]

A friend gave it too me as a gift haven't listened to it. I'll just stick wwith the old one until it gets too many scratches

[ChrisJones]

The idea of "remastering" makes me ill.... that's why I listen to albums as much as possible.

personally I like lo-fi high treble mixes with high presence on the vocals.

The remaster most likely caters to current stereos which operate on wider frequencies.

[citybabysrevenge]

I still vomit a little when I see Garnier commercials with the Transplants song..

And I don't think theres anything wrong with remastering something to make it sound better.

[tisJoefoo]

I won't get it. I listened to Energy for years.

[citybabysrevenge]

I won't get it. I listened to Energy for years.

Well, I have the CD that isn't remastered.. so I don't see the point in buying the new one. But I don't have a problem with them remastering it, either.

[Nips]

i doubt, if i heard the new one, id noticed the difference.

[jonhomeowner]

So if epitaph/hellcat own this now does this mean we will be seeing Op Ivy on nissan commercials?
I fucking hope so.

[ThePope]

Rudy Guiliani could use an Op Ivy song in his campaign for all I care, and I'd still consider them the best punk band ever

[Paul T]

i always prefered OpIvy to Rancid but i'll admit it's been a while since i heard it. I do think it's an awesome album when your stoned though.

[Mohawk_JiM]

I think this sums it up.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/onech0rdw0nder/20071203.gif

[riot]

Not worth fixing something thats not broken

[Paul T]

Not worth fixing something thats not broken

exactly!!!!!!

Let's just leave it as it is man it sounds good enough already.

[DEVIN 75]

I do have a big problem with remastering and remixing on several levels. I recently bought the panic button version of the Zero Boys-Vicious Circle CD to replace the original one that was out a few years back on Bitzcore. The panic button version sounds great but its not the original sound or mix. The bass is slightly higher and the guitar sounds more lush and full on the panic button release. Plus they omitted bonus tracks that were on the CD release from the first time around. Once again I'm not saying it sounds bad but it just isn't the same as what I grew up with or had been listening to over the years. I will always yearn for my old Toxic Shock LP and Bitzcore CD version of that album.

Concerning Energy being redone: Who cares? Was it necessary? The Epitaph / Hellcat machine just wants your money. The least they could've done is added some extra bonus tracks or some rarities this time around to entice you. Before purchasing this new copy ask yourself did the LP ever sound badly mixed when transfered to CD? I actually always liked the Plea For Peace EP stuff the best anyways.

[Moxie1]

Not worth fixing something thats not broken

Well yes the original pressing didn't have the right bass mixing in them nor was all the Guitar work correct. With this they fix the problems that were in the recording of The Crowd the Drum line in the second verse was off by a half step from the original recording that they did.

They also cleaned up Sleeping Long and Healthy Body by bring the Audio levels up to what they should be.

Also on Bombshell they boost the Guitar and Vocal so you now can hear how it should sound like.

Trust me if you listen to both you can tell the difference.

[DEVIN 75]

Well yes the original pressing didn't have the right bass mixing in them nor was all the Guitar work correct. With this they fix the problems that were in the recording of The Crowd the Drum line in the second verse was off by a half step from the original recording that they did.

They also cleaned up Sleeping Long and Healthy Body by bring the Audio levels up to what they should be.

Also on Bombshell they boost the Guitar and Vocal so you now can hear how it should sound like.

Trust me if you listen to both you can tell the difference.

I don't wanna! Even though I haven't listened to this LP in over 15 years I like those little shortcomings as they were. There should have been an option to still have the choice to purchase either mix. I think the original mix was fine.

[thebigother]

Energy sounds so good because it's not polished. It's not an album being slick and suave, it's an album about dumb kids rocking out.

[Moxie1]

Energy sounds so good because it's not polished. It's not an album being slick and suave, it's an album about dumb kids rocking out.

Very True but with that said I understand why Tim want to re-work some of the stuff. Personally I think Tim is to much of Nob Turner in the studio:p

[Nips]

'tim armstrong is too much of a nob turner'? close, you were one word away.

[ChrisJones]

The original recording is mastered with 1000 Hertz to 12,000 Hertz in mind. Stereos of that day rarely went beyond this capacity.

In the late 90's stereos starting dropping hertz to almost 100 while raising the upper threshold to more than 20,000(the highest note a human can percieve). The ability to go further sonicly on your stereo also allows you to hear more tones in the percussion and vocals as well as volume fluctuations on the bass guitar. With these new sounds coming out, speaker system designers changed their designs to sound better in the new ranges. Car setups, computer stereos, headphones, TV's, and radios all are now designed to give the best possible sound throughout the larger dynamic range. More highs, and more lows.

A typical remaster allows the listener to accurately hear more of the instrumentation in the way it was played and meant to be heard in a live setting, as if the actual band was playing right in front of you. Think music in "hi-def"

I'm a fan of lo-fi stuff, so I won't be getting this.

[jonhomeowner]

14000 is the highest an average adult can hear.

20000 only applies to young people (mostly kids under the age of puberty).

[Moxie1]

The original recording is mastered with 1000 Hertz to 12,000 Hertz in mind. Stereos of that day rarely went beyond this capacity.

In the late 90's stereos starting dropping hertz to almost 100 while raising the upper threshold to more than 20,000(the highest note a human can percieve). The ability to go further sonicly on your stereo also allows you to hear more tones in the percussion and vocals as well as volume fluctuations on the bass guitar. With these new sounds coming out, speaker system designers changed their designs to sound better in the new ranges. Car setups, computer stereos, headphones, TV's, and radios all are now designed to give the best possible sound throughout the larger dynamic range. More highs, and more lows.

A typical remaster allows the listener to accurately hear more of the instrumentation in the way it was played and meant to be heard in a live setting, as if the actual band was playing right in front of you. Think music in "hi-def"

I'm a fan of lo-fi stuff, so I won't be getting this.

Well define Sir.

[ChrisJones]

Well define Sir.
ok.

sir /sɜr/ [sur]
–noun
1. a respectful or formal term of address used to a man: No, sir.
2. (initial capital letter) the distinctive title of a knight or baronet: Sir Walter Scott.
3. (initial capital letter) a title of respect for some notable personage of ancient times: Sir Pandarus of Troy.
4. a lord or gentleman: noble sirs and ladies.
5. an ironic or humorous title of respect: sir critic.
6. Archaic. a title of respect used before a noun to designate profession, rank, etc.: sir priest; sir clerk.

[Creep43]

I actually ended up wondering into hot topic when i saw the sign that said Operation Ivy remastered blahblahlblah. So i put the headphones on and noticed no difference at all. Not only was that disappointing, but it was disappointing to see an album like that in a store like hot topic. I also noticed a DK shirt. That enraged me to know that they've become such i guess 'Sellouts' without Jello. Thats off subject, but i had to say it.

[jonhomeowner]

That enraged me to know that they've become such i guess 'Sellouts' without Jello. Thats off subject, but i had to say it.
WELCOME... TO... TWO-THOUSAND-AND-TWO!

[riot]

14000 is the highest an average adult can hear.

20000 only applies to young people (mostly kids under the age of puberty).

nah, it's bit higher than 14k Hz, more like 16.5k Hz