Punk Subcultures that need to die.

[ChrisJones]

Offshoots that offshooted and grew to their own...which do you hate the most?

[puzzled_panther]

I have to say emo. The uppermost respect to the kids who enjoy that music and are sincere about protecting the "integrity" of their "scene" but second to disco, it has to be some of the worst music I've ever heard in my life. Plus, I feel a lot of emo is sexist.

[ChrisJones]

here i added a poll. complete with bands in each genre for the assistance in directing your hatred.

[Bunny Rabbid]

It was a tough choice between the emo/screamo and the pop. I chose the pop because I have to take my sister to shows like Green Day and I'm miserable the whole time, so it's demise would be welcome.

[ImSoBoredWithTheUSA]

Ummm... you did one thing that people always do and it always pisses me off! Mislabling!

You called Have Heart and Hatebreed and all the other bands except Agnostic Front, the wrong music genre. (If Agnostic Front wasn't in that list of bands and the bands weren't labelled as Hardcore, then I'd probably vote them as bands I'd like to fuck off instead of what I already voted for [screamo]. That type of music sounds awful and it is spoiling the word Hardcore) In order for them to be called Hardcore, they would have to sound something like Minor Threat or the DK's, but both of the bands you mentioned sound nothing like them or authentic Hardcore Punk, (Hardcore/Punk). Even though wikip. says Have Heart is "Hardcore Punk", the only people who think that are 14-17 year old kids who've never picked up a real Hardcore record. (I'm not saying you are one of these kids I'm talking about.) They sound way to metal sounding & I so I would those bands lean more towards Metalcore.

[sr113]

The "I hate emos" subculture needs to die. Seriously. If you're going to hate someone or something, be constructive about it. There are plenty of groups that deserve to be hated.

[Bunny Rabbid]

The "I hate emos" subculture needs to die. Seriously. If you're going to hate someone or something, be constructive about it. There are plenty of groups that deserve to be hated.

I have nothing against emos, in fact I'm not even sure I have ever encountered one except on myspace, but I despise the bands that he had listed.

[sr113]

If I had to vote for a genre, I'd vote for street punk/gutter punk, but it's not on the list (unless it's crust, in which case, let me know & it'll get my vote).

[sr113]

I have nothing against emos, in fact I'm not even sure I have ever encountered one except on myspace, but I despise the bands that he had listed.

Not directed at you, Sugarnipples. It was meant for anyone who ever started an "I hate emos" thread (except the joke threads - those are funny as hell).

[Bunny Rabbid]

Not directed at you, Sugarnipples. It was meant for anyone who ever started an "I hate emos" thread (except the joke threads - those are funny as hell).

No harm no foul, taffy taint!

[unholy_steve]

i feel that folk punk has been terribly mis-represented in this poll.
i could do without crust, i just can't get into it.

[puzzled_panther]

If I had to vote for a genre, I'd vote for street punk/gutter punk, but it's not on the list (unless it's crust, in which case, let me know & it'll get my vote).

Not into street punk? Bummer.

[RIC]

Hate?? For example, in my daughter´s schoolyard, I hear that the emo and the punk kids get along well. I see no reasons for promoting hate between genres that after all are somewhat related and are all sort of tributary to Punk, wether you like it or not. There are other things in this world that deserve your hate and oposition, not kids, musicians and bands.

par*#

[Suicidal Punk]

I voted emo, the only reason i did is because emos tried to beat the shit out of me with a bat. I'll get my skinhead friends to beat the shit out of them!

[oigrrrl805]

Those bands you listed under "Emo/Screamo" are actually pop-rock and not emotive hardcore or screamo at all. Same is said with what you call "pop punk", it's all just pop-rock.

Learn your genres before posting.

[Kelley]

I had no idea that the Strokes et al were considered new wave. :/

[oigrrrl805]

"Punk subculture that needs to die."

Rock Against Communism. Which is none of the above.

[puzzled_panther]

"Punk subculture that needs to die."

Rock Against Communism. Which is none of the above.


yeah, i agree. forgot about that one.

[Stiv Bators]

`New Wave`? Those bands are considered `post-punk revival`, actually, as they are much more related to the post-punk sound than new wave.

[Stiv Bators]

I had no idea that the Strokes et al were considered new wave. :/
They are not. They are considered post-punk revival.

[thatoneOCpunk]

If I had to vote for a genre, I'd vote for street punk/gutter punk, but it's not on the list (unless it's crust, in which case, let me know & it'll get my vote).

its crust... =( why not .. crusty bands are fucking rad... like dirt or mankind? aus rotten.. fleas and lice... mmm

[thatoneOCpunk]

i voted alternative.. cuz its a bunch of crap... only a few good bands from that "genre"

[Joe Kersten]

Where is the "this is a pointless poll" option?

[KidoftheBlackHole]

Where is the "this is a pointless poll" option?

I was looking for it but I couldn't find it.

[riot]

I went Emo Screamo one because the music sounds the worst compared to the other genres.

[ChrisJones]

Ummm... you did one thing that people always do and it always pisses me off! Mislabling!

You called Have Heart and Hatebreed and all the other bands except Agnostic Front, the wrong music genre. (If Agnostic Front wasn't in that list of bands and the bands weren't labelled as Hardcore, then I'd probably vote them as bands I'd like to fuck off instead of what I already voted for [screamo]. That type of music sounds awful and it is spoiling the word Hardcore) In order for them to be called Hardcore, they would have to sound something like Minor Threat or the DK's, but both of the bands you mentioned sound nothing like them or authentic Hardcore Punk, (Hardcore/Punk). Even though wikip. says Have Heart is "Hardcore Punk", the only people who think that are 14-17 year old kids who've never picked up a real Hardcore record. (I'm not saying you are one of these kids I'm talking about.) They sound way to metal sounding & I so I would those bands lean more towards Metalcore.

These bands are hardcore bands and as such full members of the hardcore scene. Walk up to any of those bands and tell them they aren't hardcore.

You have done what I hate. Called the scene too good for anybody but what you believe it be. The hardcore scene has grown and developed into what it is today, unrecognizable to old schoolers, but undeniably still a strong presence. Just because your blinders are on, doesnt mean these bands aren't hardcore.

The hardcore scene has grown into something much bigger than you or me, and who are we to say the next hardcore band isn't a hardcore band. Do we use out-dated 30 year old sets of rules to judge bands by now? As long as they stick to basic ethos of the scene, I guess we are allowed our own opinions.

Just because one likes a certain genre, doesn't mean one is going to like every single band in it, unless they are susceptible to brainwashing or promotes an idea of fascism where everybody follows just one set of specific rules.

I don't think it's fair for you to attack those bands like that.

[ChrisJones]

Where is the "this is a pointless poll" option?

It only gave me 10.

[ChrisJones]

If I had to vote for a genre, I'd vote for street punk/gutter punk, but it's not on the list (unless it's crust, in which case, let me know & it'll get my vote).

Oh shit, I totally messed this up.

GBH wannabe bands (casualties...ahem..casualties)

[Kelley]

They are not. They are considered post-punk revival.

Ok...that sounds much more feasible.
I was really confused...

[ChrisJones]

i feel that folk punk has been terribly mis-represented in this poll.
i could do without crust, i just can't get into it.

Here's the list I was using the bands from:

Against Me!
Attack in Black
Attila the Stockbroker
Billy Bragg
Bread and Roses
Can Kickers
Danbert Nobacon
Dead Milkmen
Defiance, Ohio
Dropkick Murphys
the Evens
Flogging Molly
Tom Frampton
Ghost Mice
Gogol Bordello
The Levellers
The Men They Couldn't Hang
Mischief Brew
Mutiny
New Model Army
Neck
The Pogues
Los Salvadores
Sforzando
Swamp Zombies
This Bike is a Pipe Bomb
The Tossers
Frank Turner
Violent Femmes
The Weakerthans

[ChrisJones]

Those bands you listed under "Emo/Screamo" are actually pop-rock and not emotive hardcore or screamo at all. Same is said with what you call "pop punk", it's all just pop-rock.

Learn your genres before posting.

90 percent of the bands in AP Magazine are emo/pop punk.(I would love for you to argue that point with some factual evidence) I snagged the list from bands that are put under that umbrella group as they are featured in the magazine that is proud to represent that scene. Please tell me that you know more than the folks who are actually in the bands about what genres they fall under.

Interestingly since emo has become so mainstream, many of the bands, like fallout boy and paramore cashed in their emo roots for pop-punk. Of which, the Used never pulled off. And this is more punk, not dashboard confessional indie type stuff.

[ChrisJones]

I had no idea that the Strokes et al were considered new wave. :/

Google "strokes new wave"

[3a]

You forgot to put NONE NEED TO DIE in your poll!

[oigrrrl805]

90 percent of the bands in AP Magazine are emo/pop punk.(I would love for you to argue that point with some factual evidence) I snagged the list from bands that are put under that umbrella group as they are featured in the magazine that is proud to represent that scene. Please tell me that you know more than the folks who are actually in the bands about what genres they fall under.

Interestingly since emo has become so mainstream, many of the bands, like fallout boy and paramore cashed in their emo roots for pop-punk. Of which, the Used never pulled off. And this is more punk, not dashboard confessional indie type stuff.

I bet AP magazine also says that Evanescence is goth and that Slipknot is metal, which you probably believe it too?

A real screamo band is Pg 99 (sounds nothing like Fall Out Boy).
A real pop punk band is Bis (sounds nothing like Good Charlotte).

I listen to Paramore and there is NOTHING punk or emo about them.

[Schaap]

Ummm... you did one thing that people always do and it always pisses me off! Mislabling!

You called Have Heart and Hatebreed and all the other bands except Agnostic Front, the wrong music genre. (If Agnostic Front wasn't in that list of bands and the bands weren't labelled as Hardcore, then I'd probably vote them as bands I'd like to fuck off instead of what I already voted for [screamo]. That type of music sounds awful and it is spoiling the word Hardcore) In order for them to be called Hardcore, they would have to sound something like Minor Threat or the DK's, but both of the bands you mentioned sound nothing like them or authentic Hardcore Punk, (Hardcore/Punk). Even though wikip. says Have Heart is "Hardcore Punk", the only people who think that are 14-17 year old kids who've never picked up a real Hardcore record. (I'm not saying you are one of these kids I'm talking about.) They sound way to metal sounding & I so I would those bands lean more towards Metalcore.

I think those bands go to the name of Grindcore, not sure though

[JerrySkin]

Had to vote emo .... there is no crying in hardcore!

[scum and villainy]

...sigh....

[Stiv Bators]

Google "strokes new wave"
Yes, because `new wave` influenced it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_punk_revival

[Stiv Bators]

Let me say that it does not surprise me and it also pleases me to see that emo/screamo is the most hated.

[SageWolf]

It's not listed But I Think the one that needs to Die is Republican punk.

[ChrisJones]

I bet AP magazine also says that Evanescence is goth and that Slipknot is metal, which you probably believe it too?

A real screamo band is Pg 99 (sounds nothing like Fall Out Boy).
A real pop punk band is Bis (sounds nothing like Good Charlotte).

I listen to Paramore and there is NOTHING punk or emo about them.

AP doesn't cover anything but pop-punk and emo. It's a credible source.

[ChrisJones]

Yes, because `new wave` influenced it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_punk_revival

I notice a clearly geometric pattern here.

Post punk revival

Afterwards it's post-post punk revival.

And if that died and was resurrected it would be Post Post Punk Revival Revival!

and after that...Post Post Post Punk Revival Revival!
and after that...Post Post Post Punk Revival Revival Revival!
and after that...Post Post Post Post Punk Revival Revival Revival!
and after that...Post Post Post Post Punk Revival Revival Revival Revival!
and after that...Post Post Post Post Post Punk Revival Revival Revival Revival!
and after that...Post Post Post Post Post Punk Revival Revival Revival Revival Revival!

At this point the strokes would resurrect and the floodwaters would kill alot of innocent panda bears.

[Suicidal Punk]

Where are the Hardcore Punk bands? All I see is metalcore or crossover or whatever. (Old Agnostic front used to be hardcore punk, but now they're crossover thrash = shit.)

[oigrrrl805]

AP doesn't cover anything but pop-punk and emo. It's a credible source.

It's not credible at all if it's saying that those bands are Screamo or Emo. lmao

[Suicidal Punk]

Post punk is gayer. New wave punk is fucking awesome, ever heard of the briefs?! well fucking listen to them!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M99ckGRmbwg

[ImSoBoredWithTheUSA]

Where are the Hardcore Punk bands? All I see is metalcore or crossover or whatever. (Old Agnostic front used to be hardcore punk, but now they're crossover thrash = shit.)

Exactly! All the bands ChrisJones listed under Hardcore are shit. They just sound like Emo or Screamo (not lyric-wise, but music wise) how they start off slow then build up to a "breakdown" but sounds way to metal sounding.

Most new "hardcore punk (they tend to leave out the punk part when labelling their genre) " bands are shit. Way too metalcore sounding.

[Suicidal Punk]

Exactly! All the bands ChrisJones listed under Hardcore are shit. They just sound like Emo or Screamo (not lyric-wise, but music wise) how they start off slow then build up to a "breakdown" but sounds way to metal sounding.

Most new "hardcore punk (they tend to leave out the punk part when labelling their genre) " bands are shit. Way too metalcore sounding.

Yeah, I even know some guys that say Hardcore isn't Punk, because punk is too "soft". They think bands like madball, later cro-mags, etc... are the ones who started their hardcore, when even those bands admit that they're crossover thrash and that Hardcore Punk influenced them.

Fan boys these days are fucking nuts!

Pure Hardcore bands would be Minor Threat, DOA, Dead Kennedys, etc...

[ChrisJones]

Clearly the "needs to die" applies to things that are still living...

3/10 of you got that.

LMFAO

[ChrisJones]

It's not credible at all if it's saying that those bands are Screamo or Emo. lmao

Ok how about we consult the encyclopedia!

jimmy eat world help spur the mainstream success of emo!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo#Mainstream_popularity:_2000s

Paramore says on their wiki(updated by the band's management)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramore

Jimmy Eat World say on their wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Eat_World

When the facts contradict your opinion, you should reconsider keeping this debate going.

And as far as AP being a credible source well how about this:
AP MAGAZINE WAS THE FIRST PUBLICATION TO EVER FEATURE THESE BANDS: All Time Low, The Maine, Fall Out Boy, Paramore, My Chemical Romance, The All-American Rejects, Panic! at the Disco, Brand New, Hawthorne Heights, The Used, Taking Back Sunday, Avenged Sevenfold, Coheed and Cambria, and others.

The magazine was also the first national music publication to put Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins and other alternative-rock icons on its covers.

Tell me again AP has no credibility in covering the emo, screamo and pop punk genres...so I can bang my head against the wall at how false and misleading your statement is given how it contradicts reality.

[oigrrrl805]

Ok how about we consult the encyclopedia!

jimmy eat world help spur the mainstream success of emo!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo#Mainstream_popularity:_2000s

Paramore says on their wiki(updated by the band's management)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramore

Jimmy Eat World say on their wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Eat_World

When the facts contradict your opinion, you should reconsider keeping this debate going.

And as far as AP being a credible source well how about this:
AP MAGAZINE WAS THE FIRST PUBLICATION TO EVER FEATURE THESE BANDS: All Time Low, The Maine, Fall Out Boy, Paramore, My Chemical Romance, The All-American Rejects, Panic! at the Disco, Brand New, Hawthorne Heights, The Used, Taking Back Sunday, Avenged Sevenfold, Coheed and Cambria, and others.

The magazine was also the first national music publication to put Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins and other alternative-rock icons on its covers.

Tell me again AP has no credibility in covering the emo, screamo and pop punk genres...so I can bang my head against the wall at how false and misleading your statement is given how it contradicts reality.

The pop magazines have called Avril Lavigne a "punk princess" quite a few times before. They are sooooo right! A magazine says it, that must mean Avril is punk! -sarcasm-

I've listened to real Screamo and Pop Punk, and what you and your mainstream alternative crap magazine thinks falls under that genre, isn't it.

I've posted this link around several times www.emotivehardcore.com it discusses the actual Screamo and Emo music and also has a list of bands that are mistaken for Emo and Screamo when they are not. Paramore, Fall Out Boy, etc is POP ROCK.

Another good site http://youdontknowemo.tk/

[Fukface82]

Don't care. I like to say that the cream always rises, but then again shit floats too.

[ApproachNegative]

I voted emo, the only reason i did is because emos tried to beat the shit out of me with a bat. I'll get my skinhead friends to beat the shit out of them!

That's the way!!!

[opfiend]

Post punk is gayer. New wave punk is fucking awesome, ever heard of the briefs?! well fucking listen to them!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M99ckGRmbwg

I got a new pair of shoes and I'm better than you!

[JordinBabe]

go to hell emo kids

[opfiend]

Look at me! I'm so punk I hate emo kids! That makes me punk, right? Do you all accept me or should I mindlessly hate another group of people that have done nothing to me?

Typical.

[ChrisJones]

The pop magazines have called Avril Lavigne a "punk princess" quite a few times before. They are sooooo right! A magazine says it, that must mean Avril is punk! -sarcasm-

I've listened to real Screamo and Pop Punk, and what you and your mainstream alternative crap magazine thinks falls under that genre, isn't it.

I've posted this link around several times www.emotivehardcore.com it discusses the actual Screamo and Emo music and also has a list of bands that are mistaken for Emo and Screamo when they are not. Paramore, Fall Out Boy, etc is POP ROCK.

Another good site http://youdontknowemo.tk/

You posted two blog sites from the opinions of two people.

Since you have broken it down into a matter of opinion, we can go that route.

I have picked the band's opinions on their music vs. what some random internet shit talkers have said.

[ChrisJones]

This rules:http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/7/77/Myspacetomrofl.GIF/600px-Myspacetomrofl.GIF

[kidd_khaos]

I bet AP magazine also says that Evanescence is goth and that Slipknot is metal, which you probably believe it too?

A real screamo band is Pg 99 (sounds nothing like Fall Out Boy).
A real pop punk band is Bis (sounds nothing like Good Charlotte).

I listen to Paramore and there is NOTHING punk or emo about them.

That is specifically due to the way they are marketed to the masses.
We all have different perceptions of what each genre should be. I've talked to parents who won't let their kids listen to paramore because it's too "out there". Same with Avril.
At the same time, the genres are fairly flexible, and some bands market themselves as 2-3 genres at a time. To be honest, I don't think all the bands in a single genre or two should sound just like all the others, what would the point be? That's what makes our music so great, is the diversity. There is something for every body.

So... you really have to take all of this with a grain of salt.

I know Chris IRL, he is a smart and objective cookie (and he has been around the block a time or two). I think the bands were listed specifically to generalize, not to target, the genres, in case we had a hard time deciding or were unclear about what it is 'usually' considered. You'd be surprised at how many people really don't understand the different genres at all. It's just a guide. From one perspective to another in a little poll.

[ChrisJones]

You said IRL.

LOLZ

[Roy]

Pop Punk
Emo
Folk
Crust
& New Wave

They All Suck

[xxfaux_punkxx]

get rid of screamo. Stubbing your toe on the coffee table shouldn't inspire a "love song".

[labria4]

I would have chosen screamo if folk hadn't been a choice. I can't think of one band that I like that would be considered folk, whereas Poison the Well (I'm not even sure if they fit in screamo) is one of my favorite bands.

[safetypinsam]

I voted Emo. Most of those bands sound fake and over-produced. It's almost like listening to a Britney Spears cd. Way too much Pro Tools and studio musicians on these recordings.

[theshuttlecocks]

I voted New Wave, but I would have personally called the band you mentioned Indie.

[Justin Nobody]

i'd really have to say any subgenre that puts "post" in their name. how the hell can you be "post punk" when punk is still around? considering its a prefix, meaning “behind,” “after,” “later,” “subsequent to” i just don't get it.

[sr113]

i'd really have to say any subgenre that puts "post" in their name. how the hell can you be "post punk" when punk is still around? considering its a prefix, meaning “behind,” “after,” “later,” “subsequent to” i just don't get it.

Post punk is bands that were specifically influenced by punk, but don't fall under the punk genre, therefore they are "subsequent to" punk.

[w0nik]

i'd really have to say any subgenre that puts "post" in their name. how the hell can you be "post punk" when punk is still around? considering its a prefix, meaning “behind,” “after,” “later,” “subsequent to” i just don't get it.


which one? post punk a.k.a new wave?

[screaming anarchy]

Aren't Hatebreed a little more on the metal side? sorry I just thought they were, im probably wrong I usually am.

Anyway, I voted Pop-punk, but it was very close to emo, but I just dispise those stupid winey voices in pop punk so much!

[EDogg]

The "I hate emos" subculture needs to die. Seriously. If you're going to hate someone or something, be constructive about it. There are plenty of groups that deserve to be hated.

Pack it in lad, we all know emos are cunts.

Luckily they've died out and turned into egotistical famewhores, all of them.

[sr113]

Pack it in lad, we all know emos are cunts.

Luckily they've died out and turned into egotistical famewhores, all of them.

The only true emo band is Cider Assault Squad. Glad to see you back!
cheer(*

[mcghie]

You gotta be careful of emo's there very dangerous if you have enough contact with one they can bore or even worse depress you to death

[B-PunkRock]

emo isnt even the correct word to refer to this "scene" because everyone has emotions and punk rock bands play with their emotions too!! emotions are sad, happy, joy, whatever!, I think Metal culture should die and those maniac juggalos

[TxPunk]

You gotta be careful of emo's there very dangerous if you have enough contact with one they can bore or even worse depress you to death

I'm immune now. I've been around enough people being all depressed, that I find it funny. I usually start laughing whenever Flipper comes on. I laugh in the face face of emo! Haha!

[FuckSnails]

If I had to vote for a genre, I'd vote for street punk/gutter punk, but it's not on the list (unless it's crust, in which case, let me know & it'll get my vote).

Why Street Punk and Gutter Punk? just asking

[sr113]

Why Street Punk and Gutter Punk? just asking

because it's full of hippies dressing up as punkers.

[FuckSnails]

Yea but the Musics Gooddrink(*&

[Otto Bas Spike]

Yea but the Musics Gooddrink(*&

What music?

[FuckSnails]

street punk

[sr113]

Yea but the Musics Gooddrink(*&

Not the point of the poll.

[KidoftheBlackHole]

I despise street punk and it's horribleness.

[farkasok]

"crust" needs to be an option.

edit: oh, it is.
*votes*

[SugarSkeleton]

Emo.
The people aren't that bad but, the music does suck.

[FuckSnails]

Emo.
The people aren't that bad but, the music does suck.

TRIPPEN the people are just as bad cheer(*

[SugarSkeleton]

TRIPPEN the people are just as bad cheer(*

Ehh I've met a few who are bearable but, for the most part they are almost just as bad.

[FuckSnails]

Ehh I've met a few who are bearable but, for the most part they are almost just as bad.

then they were probly more goth :P

[SugarSkeleton]

then they were probly more goth :P

luagh><*

More like "mall goth"

[FuckSnails]

luagh><*

More like "mall goth"

LOL Mall goths how i see them often Mall Goths and HxC kids is all thats out here

[ApproachNegative]

I voted emo because i hate the music, if you want to call it that. The screechy 12 year-old girl sound and the fact the emos think they're too mature to have fun at gigs. I don't hate them, i just hate their music... It has no energy what so ever. When i listen to something like Exploited i have no choice but to start moving, i can't sit still and listen to UK 82!!

[SugarSkeleton]

LOL Mall goths how i see them often Mall Goths and HxC kids is all thats out here

Exactly.

[ChrisJones]

Dude this thread is still going months after I haven't checked the forum. FUCK YEAH stirring up the shit!

[loverfighterbeth]

I really don't see why we should go condemning other people's tastes just because they don't align with ours to an exact degree... live your life the way you want to, and let everyone else do the same thing...

[xEx]

ALL.Its like"we're not a punk band except for attitude-we want to be accessable to everyone."Calling something ____core or____ punk is a cheap cry for credibility.So Avril Levine is AORcore?Or Adult contemperary punk?I know punk when I hear it and most of you all do too.

[Toastedspikes]

Subcultures ought to be encouraged, not put down. Diversity is better than a stagnant music scene where evrybody sounds the same. Fuckit, be creative and mix some classical or traditional chinese music in with punk-why the fuck not? I voted emo, cos I had to vote something, but even so, it's their views and their tastes and it has nothing to do with me.
Fuck the people who think 'pure inbred punk-punk' is the only genre worth existing.

[Joe Scumbag]

"Punk subculture that needs to die."

Rock Against Communism. Which is none of the above.

Rock Against Communism is a lot better than a lot of the shit called music, no matter what genre you can bring up. I'd rather hear music that promotes racehate than poppy punk, or emotive hardcore shit. I mean, fuck, you could've at least said "g.g. allin coulda been erased frm history", but not nazipunk. The only people that the nazis offend are the people that aren't white, or idiotic white people that feel that the white race should apologize for the fact that we've enslaved majorities, and because hitler killed a few million people because he had his own ideas. blah blah blah. big fuckin deal.

I think I might go to sleep now. I'm outta ber :/

[Joe Scumbag]

You posted two blog sites from the opinions of two people.

Since you have broken it down into a matter of opinion, we can go that route.

I have picked the band's opinions on their music vs. what some random internet shit talkers have said.

screamo has double bass pedling and it sucks. the only band i litsne to with ouble bass peddling is death because theyre the greatest and chuck is god. i swear he is!

I want more beer now so i can slep for even lnger!

[oigrrrl805]

Rock Against Communism is a lot better than a lot of the shit called music, no matter what genre you can bring up. I'd rather hear music that promotes racehate than poppy punk, or emotive hardcore shit. I mean, fuck, you could've at least said "g.g. allin coulda been erased frm history", but not nazipunk. The only people that the nazis offend are the people that aren't white, or idiotic white people that feel that the white race should apologize for the fact that we've enslaved majorities, and because hitler killed a few million people because he had his own ideas. blah blah blah. big fuckin deal.
Well... when it comes to sound, I have heard RAC bands (except for the crappy ones that try to mix with metal) that are better sounding than crunkcore like Blood On The Dance Floor, or metalcore-ish scene stuff like Bring Me The Horizon.

[Joe Scumbag]

Well... when it comes to sound, I have heard RAC bands (except for the crappy ones that try to mix with metal) that are better sounding than crunkcore like Blood On The Dance Floor, or metalcore-ish scene stuff like Bring Me The Horizon.

The best RAC bands are the Angry Aryans, INFANTRY, and Geimrhe.

A cd called "Smashing Rainbows-Rock Against Homosexuality" is a great starter record. I got it like a month ago and I've had so much fun with it.

I'm glad this thread hasn't turned into an argument yet, only 'cause I get sick of arguing with the same people over the same shit all the time.

[spiller]

Rock Against Communism is a lot better than a lot of the shit called music, no matter what genre you can bring up. I'd rather hear music that promotes racehate than poppy punk, or emotive hardcore shit. I mean, fuck, you could've at least said "g.g. allin coulda been erased frm history", but not nazipunk. The only people that the nazis offend are the people that aren't white, or idiotic white people that feel that the white race should apologize for the fact that we've enslaved majorities, and because hitler killed a few million people because he had his own ideas. blah blah blah. big fuckin deal.

I think I might go to sleep now. I'm outta ber :/

and i think you are the biggest idiot on here!!!

[Joe Scumbag]

Seeing as I probably know more about the music and other things that I enjoy than you do, your opinion on me as a person is pointless and invalid. Feel free to try again if you want, though, fuckin retard.

[Schaap]

Rock Against Communism is a lot better than a lot of the shit called music, no matter what genre you can bring up. I'd rather hear music that promotes racehate than poppy punk, or emotive hardcore shit. I mean, fuck, you could've at least said "g.g. allin coulda been erased frm history", but not nazipunk. The only people that the nazis offend are the people that aren't white, or idiotic white people that feel that the white race should apologize for the fact that we've enslaved majorities, and because hitler killed a few million people because he had his own ideas. blah blah blah. big fuckin deal.

I think I might go to sleep now. I'm outta ber :/

I don't think I can agree on this, except for the beer part ;)

I'm offended by nazipunk but I can't say I feel sorry for something that happened so many years ago. It wasn't my fault right?
Yet still, I just can't believe that some people want to bring that stuff back. If it's happening right now, I can do something about it. And I'll be damned if anything like that ever happens again without me trying to do something about it!

[spiller]

Seeing as I probably know more about the music and other things that I enjoy than you do, your opinion on me as a person is pointless and invalid. Feel free to try again if you want, though, fuckin retard.

i dont think that you know anything, when it comes to the 3rd reich and all this racist shit, you stupid kid...

as the dead kennedys said in nazi punks fuck off: in a real fourth reich, you will be the first to go!!!

[Joe Scumbag]

i dont think that you know anything, when it comes to the 3rd reich and all this racist shit, you stupid kid...

as the dead kennedys said in nazi punks fuck off: in a real fourth reich, you will be the first to go!!!

Seeing as I'm half Jewish and openly bisexual, I don't think that there's ANY problem with me knowing about RAC or the 3rd Reich. My great-grandfather killed Jews and Russians in WW2, and I still respect him, even if he followed a mad dictator's orders that were CLEARLY based on racism and hatred. That doesn't mean that I hate EVERYONE based on skin color, sexuality, religion, or ethnicity. So shut the fuck up with your overly politically correct bullshit. Agree to disagree, learn the fuckin term before you go all witchhunty just because someone openly admits to liking haterock/core. As I've also said before...if liking white power material or music should be illegal, so should rap, and sex, and christianity, and anything else that people enjoy. Fair is fair, and I reserve the right to listen to something that I like, regardless of whether or not that it openly promotes racial hatred, degradation of women, pedophilia, drug use, or anything. Simply for the fact that I have a good time with it, and having fun is all that matters, or at least I thought it was at one point in time.

Even better yet, is the fact that Hitler would've killed me, you, and probably half the people that frequent this site. LOL.

[The Transmission]

and i think you are the biggest idiot on here!!!

Agreed cheer(*

[spiller]

Seeing as I'm half Jewish and openly bisexual,


this even makes you a bigger idiot, to support bands that hate you + would kick your ass if you would ever go to a show...jerk(^

[Joe Scumbag]

this even makes you a bigger idiot, to support bands that hate you + would kick your ass if you would ever go to a show...jerk(^

Seeing as I'm blonde haired and blue eyed, I'd fit right in if I went to a nazi show. This is such a stupid argument, to be quite honest. I get tired of the witchhunts. I said I like the music, I didn't once say that I support their political beliefs, did I? It's fine to like things, even if they're ridiculously negative, and be the antithesis of what they wish to achieve. I like things I like, as do you, so just leave it at that. Kthxbai

[RichieDagger]

You forgot to put NONE NEED TO DIE in your poll!

Exactly. Even the worst of the worst sub-genres produce the occasional band that is awesome and worth listening to that wouldn't be here if it were to die....

[RichieDagger]

I think those bands go to the name of Grindcore, not sure though

No. Definitely not. Grindcore is like Capitalist Casualties or Benumb.

[RichieDagger]

i'd really have to say any subgenre that puts "post" in their name. how the hell can you be "post punk" when punk is still around? considering its a prefix, meaning “behind,” “after,” “later,” “subsequent to” i just don't get it.

It's called "post-punk" cuz it has clear punk influences and backgrounds, but takes punk a step or two further, (whether it be in philosophy, asthetic, sound, etc etc) hence it's "post"...

[Schaap]

No. Definitely not. Grindcore is like Capitalist Casualties or Benumb.

When did I say that? :p

[RichieDagger]

On like, page 3. you were talking about Have Heart and Hatebreed.

[spiller]

Seeing as I'm blonde haired and blue eyed, I'd fit right in if I went to a nazi show. This is such a stupid argument, to be quite honest. I get tired of the witchhunts. I said I like the music, I didn't once say that I support their political beliefs, did I? It's fine to like things, even if they're ridiculously negative, and be the antithesis of what they wish to achieve. I like things I like, as do you, so just leave it at that. Kthxbai

but you promote this racist shit when you post stupid comments like this:

The only people that the nazis offend are the people that aren't white, or idiotic white people that feel that the white race should apologize for the fact that we've enslaved majorities, and because hitler killed a few million people because he had his own ideas

[Joe Scumbag]

Eh, I'm kinda over this convo thread. I think it's because I'm tired. It was a long day at work for me =/

[3a]

Exactly. Even the worst of the worst sub-genres produce the occasional band that is awesome and worth listening to that wouldn't be here if it were to die....

cheer(*

[peterbright]

I;m so much more emo than I want to admit.

[supercoolstorybro]

i hate all of the bands listed there, but whatever.

REAL hardcore is the only punk subgenre i don't find completely annoying. the bands listed for "hardcore" in this poll made me laugh.

[Tbag]

Pop punk is not "punk",It is pop.