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DATE: 10/08/2008 22:17:53 / MOOD: other
Over the years I have come
to realize that playing in a band is just like being back in high school. It
has nothing to do with music anymore, but has everything to do with knowing and
hanging out with the right people (who you know and who you blow). Now, I could
see it for a major label band with delusions of grandeur (legends in their own
showers if you will) but not for local bands.
Honestly, there isn’t a promoter or venue or show that is that
prestigious. Well, maybe a show… but
then don’t you think that the promoter (almost all promoters play in bands
themselves) would put his own band on that show.
So now I ask you… why are
you letting all the promoters have all the power?... Because they book the
venues…?! Well, I’m going to let you in
on a little secret… … … … if promoters don’t have bands to play a show then
they are not promoters. So then how long do you think a venue will keep around
someone that isn’t doing their job? 1 or 2 shows, maybe?
The funniest part of all
this is that the more promoters and the more shows means that there is less
people to go see your band. See, most of the people that go to the shows are
musicians. Well, then if there are more shows that means that those musicians
are play their own shows. Another thing, musicians are usually poor so shelling
out $8.00 - $10.00 + drinks every night they aren’t playing won’t happen. The
ideal situation would be to have 1 or 2 shows within a 20 mile radius and not
have the same 5-10 bands playing those shows. This would be perfect for the bands
playing (better draw, more money), the venues they are playing (better draw,
more money) and the promoters who are booking the shows (better draw, more
money). It also weeds out the lazy promoters that aren’t doing their job which
is a win either way.
I know I can hear the
bands out there thinking, “I will never get a show that way”, but you can. You
just have to follow a few words or advice. If your band isn’t very good then
practice more before you try and play your first show. You also don’t have to play
every weekend. If you want to play that much… that’s fine but it doesn’t always
have to be on stage in front of an audience. Trust me… the girl you are trying
to nail will wait. It also give you time to practice more which means you will
play better which then raises your chances ( girls don’t sleep with the loser
who can play his instrument). Makes sense, huh?!
See, you learn something
new every day…
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DATE: 10/08/2008 22:13:46 / MOOD: other
I don't know about the rest
of you... but after this weekend I have heard enough.
Everyone in the punk
"scene", it doesn't matter where you are, has run across people who
"think they know what's best for everyone". These are the self-proclaimed
royalty of the scene. Whether they are fans, members of bands, promoters or
booking agents, they all seem to do the same thing. The goals of their evil
exploits are as follows:
TO DESTROY WHAT UNITY STILL REMAINS AND TO PUSH OUT ANYONE THAT DOESN'T
WORSHIP THEM AS THE "PUNK" GODS THEY THINK THEY ARE.
Isn't this the same shit
that we use to fight against? Allowing other people deciding what is best for
the bands, if not which bands (usually their own), deciding who should be
allowed to booking where, deciding what people should be listening to, etc.
WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE PUNKS THAT COULD THINK FOR THEMSELVES?
WHAT HAPPENED TO STANDING UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN?
It's been 30 years since it
all began and I doubt it will make it to 31 at the rate its going. Why would
anyone allow people to take over and make their choices for them? Why would
anyone allow these self-proclaimed gods to even exist, let alone allow them to
decide who can be a part of a scene and who can’t?
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Supporting Pay-to-Play? Part 6
DATE: 07/06/2008 21:51:35 / MOOD: angry
Ok, I figure I would give you
some time to let all this information sink in to your thick little skulls. All
those figures and facts can be overwhelming when you first read about it, but
that is what you need to know.
Well, Times up!
So now what the hell are you
going to do about this? I know what you have done up until now. NOTHING! Do you
think any of the punk bands that you all list as influences would have
paid-to-play? But then this has really nothing to do with those bands, does it?
It has to do with right now and for the most part these bands do not exist
anymore. So let me ask you again, what are you going to do about this pay-to-play
thing that has taken over almost every venue in LA, Orange County and Riverside
County and is slowly creeping across the country? I mean it's not like bands
don't have any power here because the truth of it, bands have all the power. If
they can't get bands to play, then the venue closes down. The venue doesn't
want to close down anymore than you want it to so don't worry about that.
Pay-to-play has nothing to do with paying your dues. That is complete bullshit.
Pay-to-play has everything to do with you doing the work and paying some greedy
asshole that doesn't deserve a cent. When are you guys going to wake up and
smell the beer (who drinks coffee other than at Starbucks). Most of the guys
who call themselves promoters are also in bands... DO YOU THINK THIER BAND
PAYS-TO-PLAY? HELL NO, THEY DON"T! You would think these guys would be on
your side, wrong! Do you know why they started promoting in the first place?
They figured if they were doing all this work booking shows for their bands
they might as well get a little money on the side since all of you were hitting
them up about putting your band on a show. There are 2 sides to this issue and
you are going to be on one side or the other. Either you are going to be part
of the problem or part of the solution. It takes 5 second to decide. So I ask
you again, what are you going to do about it?
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Supporting Pay-to-Play? Part 5
DATE: 07/06/2008 21:50:12 / MOOD: other
Well, now I have heard it all.
It's one thing for venues to ask opening acts to sell tickets to cover the
guaranties of their headliners that don't draw or for venues to ask bands to
sell tickets for the privilege of playing at their venue or for a promoter to
ask bands to sell tickets so the promoter will get paid without having to do
any promotion at all but what I just recently heard makes all those other
reasons pale in comparison.
So let me ask you, if you were
in a band and a promoter/booking agent asked you to be a support act on a tour,
you would probably do it. Right? Now, what if you were then told you were going
to have to pay the promoter for privilege of being a support act (remember the
headlining band will be using all of your equipment). Would the offer still
look good? What if you were told you would have to pay roughly $100 a show?
Understand that the booking agent/promoter has lined up an entire tour (28
dates) for the headliner and each of these shows the headliner is guaranteed
say $1000 per show. Why would any band pay a promoter $2800 to play on a tour
where the headliner is going to be making $28,000? Now, realize that you will
be on tour and you won't be making anything off the shows you play but you will
still have to eat and you will have certain expenses. All that money will come
out of your pocket. So now you are paying roughly $5000 to play a tour.
Something doesn't seem right.
Promoter/Booking Agents have
finally stepped in it, up to their eyeballs. This is the type of political
tyranny that punks use to stand up and fight against. We need to stand together
in order to take down the fucked up people who believe this is ok.
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Supporting Pay-to-Play? Part 4
DATE: 07/06/2008 14:04:09 / MOOD: other
I have yet to hear from promoters on what exactly these venues
want. I realize what it is that you want. Money for as little work as possible.
Don't bullshit and say it's respect because if that was the case, you wouldn't
ask bands to pay-to-play. How much work do you actually do to make a show
successful? Post an ad in the OC Weekly (hardly, you use the ad that the club
puts in), put up flyers (no, you let the bands do that), so what do you
actually do? You set up a deal with the venue owner allowing you to book bands
at their clubs, but NOTHING FOR THE BANDS! Why should we trust you then?
Everything you do is for the venue or yourself. If bands want to support a
venue or a promoter, then give them money but drag the rest of the bands in
your area with you by playing a pay-to-play show. All age venues are hard
enough to find but even harder to keep open. I can sympathize with a venue
owner about making enough money to stay open but realize this, by supporting
the scene you are in fact supporting your venue. Kids want to go to shows and
see bands, even the local ones, play.
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Supporting Pay-to-Play??? part 3
DATE: 07/30/2007 06:02:26 / MOOD: other
I don't know about you, but I'm getting sick and tired of the music scene in OC.
1. Checking out local bands on MySpace and realizing that 99.8% of them suck (I mean really suck and suck hard).
2. Watching the same 5 sucky bands play show after show (only because one of their band members has a so-called "promotion" company).
3. Hearing about bands getting guaranties and never drawing more than 30 people at a show (some bands have been around for less than a year and are demanding guaranties with the same outcome).
I don't know about you but I go and look for new music all over the internet. Thank God for MySpace. I now have access to a vast majority of bands in any given location. What is also nice is that I have the ability to search and then sort my results by various criteria. It also allows me to hear other bands that are playing on the same bill as us. This brings me to my first point. What has happened to bands these days? I realize that there are far more bands than there used to be, but that doesn't mean that people aren't going to hear you at some point (especially if you play shows). I'm starting to believe that most of these bands are together for the sole purpose of getting the band members laid because it sure isn't about making music. Now, I think it's totally cool that you can play an instrument, but I also believe you should learn to play that instrument especially before trying to play a show and since good shows are getting harder and harder to come by.
This brings me to my next point... Why do the same 5 to 10 bands seem to play the decent shows? The answer... because someone in the band is either booking at a local venue or has a so-called promotion/booking company. I realize that they are providing a service for out of town bands by hooking them up with shows but what I don't think they understand is that people don't want to go see the same 5 opening acts with every out of town band that comes through, especially with ticket prices being what they are. Why would anyone want to see the same show (except for one band, the headliner) over and over again? I mean even if you liked all the bands on the bill, seeing them at every show would get a little boring. So there is no reason why you should wonder why venues are having bands pay-to-play. You either have bands that can't play their instruments or the same 5 bands playing show after show. This brings me to my final point. A guaranty is just that, a guaranty. This means that as a band, your name will draw a certain amount of people no matter when and where you play. The trouble is venues can't trust their headliners to draw enough to even cover the guaranty that the band is asking for. So now if the headliner can't seem to draw 50 people what makes you think that another band that is not even as popular as the headliner is going to draw more than 50 people yet they will ask for a guaranty as well and get it (just because you played in a band once that could get a guaranty doesn't mean that your new band deserves one). Now, don't get me wrong. If a band can get a venue to fork over a guaranty, then more power to them. But to make a small local band pay for that guaranty is WRONG. Can't you see that you (a band that doesn't draw but wants a guaranty) are the major reason venues are demanding that the opening bands must sell tickets? This makes you a major problem. I also wouldn't be surprised to find out that you are probably the same guys that scream about "helping the scene" and "how WE should be supporting the scene". Then why don't you practice what you preach. Put that money (your precious guaranty) where your mouth is.
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Supporting Pay-to-Play??? part 2
DATE: 07/30/2007 05:58:17 / MOOD: other
The biggest problem is that most all-age venues don't serve liquor and are pay-to-play and most other venues do serve liquor and are not pay-to-play. Venues make money on 1. Its ticket sales and 2. Its liquor sales or concessions (i.e., food, drinks, etc.). Bars have booking agents and all-age venues have (so called) promoters.
It is the promoterâ€™s job to get people to spend money at the venue. Most promoters only do one thing well and that is promoting themselves (itâ€™s not their fault since that is all they really know). They donâ€™t listen to the bands (just look at the line-ups at some of these shows). A lot of them know nothing about music or the music business. Most of them are only doing this because they had a backyard party once and made a lot of money off the door or they see it as the only way their band would be able to get on bigger shows. So after they do their first show at a venue and no one shows up, they are stuck trying to figure out how they are going to make some cash on the next show. Then they hear about some band bitching about having to pre-sell tickets at another venue. The little light bulb above their heads pops on and the thought is formed, "The only way for a show to make money is to have bands pre-sell tickets." Well, if you have 6 local bands playing a show, each band will get (say) 50 tickets to pawn off on their friends. Who are their friends? Other musicians probably, with maybe one or two females that hang out with them (i.e., girlfriends). More than likely those other musicians won't be able to make it to the show because they have a show of their own or they are on that show and are stuck trying to sell tickets as well. Now, the bands are responsible for practicing & playing the show, promoting the show, and selling tickets for the show. What is the promoter doing? Good question, what ARE they doing? Promoters... come on and answer the question. Tell us what it is exactly that these venues want.
Well, since no one is answering the question. I will go out on a limb and answer it for them. You want as much money as you can get for as little work as possible. Don't bullshit and say its respect because if that was the case, you wouldn't ask bands to pay-to-play. So, now how much work do you actually do to make a show successful? Post an ad in the OC Weekly (hardly, you use the ad that the club puts in), put up flyers (no, you let the bands do that), sell tickets (no, the bands again) so what do you actually do? You set up a deal with the venue owner allowing you to book bands at their clubs. I see you and I see clubs but what I donâ€™t see is the bands. Everything you do is for the venue or yourself (but we know you arenâ€™t making that much money because we have seen the draw these shows actually have). So forcing bands to sell tickets is not going to get people to go see a show... Then what will get people to go see a show?1. Having a show that people want to see.2. Advertising (and I don't mean just a little dinky ad in the OC Weekly).3. Charging less to see a show ($13 for 6 local bands and it's not like any of those bands will get any of the money anyway) 4. Having a line-up of bands that complement each other instead of sounding exactly like each other.5. Not having the same 5 bands playing night after night (if no one goes to see them on the first night, what makes you think anyone would want to see them the second night, or the third, etc.)
But the main problem with these promoters is they seem to only want to give shows to bands that are of a certain age. Bands with older members rarely get a chance to play all-age shows because 1. They wonâ€™t pay-to-play 2. They are seen as not having a draw unless the band (or the name of the band) has been around for 20 years and 3. Promoters have never heard (or heard of) these bands because they are too young to get into a bar, period.
It time for bands to start taking back what is rightfully theirs, the venues. Quit catering to these guys and for those of you that feel you must cater to them (or your band will never play a show again), FOR GODS SAKE, QUIT SNIVELLING ABOUT IT.
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Supporting Pay-to-Play??? part 1
DATE: 07/30/2007 03:26:54 / MOOD: other
Why you are even supporting any "pay-to-play" venue is beyond me. These venues would not exist if bands stopped playing there and people don't show up. Those venues need bands or sponsors to survive.
Look at the show listings on MySpace, within a 50 mile radius on a week night, there is roughly 400 listings (even if say half are for another band playing the same venue, that's still 200 listings) and then look at the listing for Friday or Saturday. We are talking roughly 900 listings (let's say 1/3 are dup listings, that's still 300). No wonder why then venues are pushing for the bands to do the work and take the risk, they sure as hell don't want to.
Let me give you an example to put this whole thing into perspective. We have a venue that is all-ages and has a capacity of 550. If there are 6 bands on a show and all the bands are required to sell 50 tickets each @ $8, the venue will get $2400.00 if all 6 bands sell all (300) their tickets. Now, if the venue sells the remaining tickets (250 to capacity) @ $10 that is an additional $2500.00 for a grand total of $4900.00. That is for one night if the place is full. If the venue only makes 1/8th of that $4900 ($600) every night for a month (31 days), that is still $18,600.00 for the month on ticket sales alone. Are these venues really risking anything that they would not normally risk every day? The answer is NO!
So venues and "promoters" (and I use that term loosely, very loosely) will give you the incentive that if you band sells the required number of tickets consistently or if you draw 75-100 people consistently, you won't have to sell tickets next time. I have yet to see a band (other than a band that has been around for 20 years or have a name that has been around for 20 years) play shows and consistently have a draw of more than 50 people on any given night around here. So how any venue, given the number of shows nightly within a 50 mile radius, can expect a band to sell 50 tickets especially if there are more than 2 local bands on a show and the headliner is some band you have never heard of?
Why are you putting up with this SHIT? The punk scene / ideology were a rebellion against the establishment. Are you doing it because you are worried your band my never get another gig if you don't pay-to-play? Believe it or not, by selling tickets for these people, you are not doing anything for your band or the scene. If you want to support the scene then quit catering to these people.
GROW SOME BALLS AND GET ANGRY!
STOP ATTENDING SHOWS OR PLAYING VENUES THAT HAVE PAY-TO-PLAY!"They are an embarrassment to what we believe"- The Spermbirds, You're Not A Punk.
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DATE: 07/30/2007 03:20:13 / MOOD: disappointed
What is up with bands that feel it is necessary to mention that the band consists of former members of another band? I can understand it if the former band was big at some point but get real. This is not the case. Most of the bands that promoters list as former members of you have never heard of. I realize there are so many bands out there that it would be almost impossible to have heard of every band. Southern California is no exception with roughly 1000 bands practicing and playing. But even in this area you will at least hear the name of a band if they play shows. So this leads me to the thought that most of the bands they list as having former members of have never played a show. How pretentious can you be if think people would care if you played in another band that never played a show? It's bad enough that most of the bands that play shows have only practiced once if that and they are playing shows all over. I myself still believe in the old adage practice makes perfect (though I have seen many exceptions to this rule).
Today, watching a recent video of the band, I realized something. The kids today don't seem to understand the whole concept of a live show. If they can't run around in a circle and hit the people standing on the edge watching the band, they don't know what to do with themselves. They stand at the front of the stage and stare off into space or try to talk to their friend.
I know having a ton of friends on MySpace doesn't mean shit. I mean you could have just set up your MySpace page or you are lazy and never update it. I also realize that booking agents for clubs rarely ever (even though they want a link to hear what your band sounds like) pay attention to something as trivial as that as well.I mean if there was some way to distinguish between friends you add to your site and friends that add you then I would say that number of friends means something but since you can't the number of friends you have on MySpace means shit.So then why do people with friends get more friends? Because people are sheep? Because people don't want to stand out and draw attention to them? ... I don't know. Which brings me to my pointâ€¦ why do promoters seem to think that certain bands will draw huge when the truth is they don't? I don't get it. Do you think that a band will draw 500 people if they have never drawn that many people before? Do you think if a band plays a show with 5 other bands at a venue and that show is filled that one of those bands will fill the same place on another night? Am I the only one that sees this... or has I got this all wrong? I believe that if a band draws 500 people to a show that they should be paid whatever their guarantee is but if a band demands a guarantee and the club doesn't have 5 people (not including staff) then the band should give back some of that guarantee. Ok, ok, I know what you are thinking. It's not the band's fault if they don't draw on a certain night. It's not the band's fault if the promoter is not doing his job and promoting the show. This is true. So using that same logic, why should any band have to pay for the fact that the headliner doesn't draw? Why should any band have to pay for a promoter that doesn't do his job?This is what pay to play is all about. Other bands are paying for the fact that headliners don't draw and promoter don't promote. Everyone on a show has a responsibility to promote that show. Whether it be posting bulletins on MySpace or listing it on a forum, every little bit helps.
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